Funny how in earlier post you put down the fact that someone "googles" facts or looks stuff up on the internet. Now you want proof. Your mind is made up no matter what fact or opinion is shown. I can post person after person who hunts with both xbow and bow that says they are very much alike in the range of the weapon yet you blow it off. I can post facts on the accident rate yet you don't want internet facts. I show facts that the xbow season in my state made almost no impact....you brush it off. Why don't you look into the facts yourself with an open mind instead of being an elitist. You are like an Obama supporter....no matter how many facts you show them that he's a socialist and running our country in the ground they will not believe you. No fact is good enough.

As far a one weapon deer season..... I said some states can support it and do. They have a huge population and can handle it. If my state could support it I would to. The dept. in my state has done a great job I think. I have no hard feeling for gun hunters, bow hunters, or xbow hunters. We have about a month long gun season now counting muzzleloaders...thats pretty good. I like to gun hunt and bow hunt so I'm set either way.

No it's a boat anchor.

What's an unloaded gun? A club more or less.

Had some guy blast his foot with one recently. Tried to climb down with it loaded. I'll just let time make the case for me, then what? I say it will and you heard it here first.

Got friends here who are xbow hunters. Might use one myself just for a thrill, but I have set them up for them and it's why I call them boat anchors and don't feel like they have any advantage at all, in fact I think my compound is a disadvantage over a long bow. Mines heavy compared to those and I carry enough weight in and out of some places I hunt. The thought of carrying a stick that light is very attractive. A stick that light compared to an xbow is the stuff dreams are made of. I just can't imagine wrestling an xbow around in the woods trying to stealth my way in, shooting the thing that makes as much noise as a gun and then trying to reload it after the shot perched in a tree.

I'm just as happy for my friends when they put it all together as I am for any other hunter who gets it done. Got nothing against them so don't feel I'm in the camp of people who have issues, not me. More choices the better I say. Now, if a private organization like Pope&Young want to excluded any weapon for whatever reason that's their business and if getting in there is the goal a person better learn to shot the weapon needed. If a person doesn't like it start your own group.

No, I believe a arrowgun bias'd search. I do however believe a peer reviewed study thats unbiased. If you have one of these, I would be interested.

You bet ya, its called experience and knowledge.

You have yet show accident rates by an unbiased peer reviewed study. Just because you say it doesn't make it so.

Because your an elitist obama supporter socialist that wants to exclude rifle and gun hunters from the same season. You should not try to exclude others as you are.

Why could they not support it? You apply for tags, and you get your tags, and when you kill your deer, your done. Easy as that. Your state, which I am fimiluar with, has a kill number, they know what number they need to reach. Quit being an elitist and let it be choice. Wonder how many would arrowgun hunt then. I know I would still bow hunt.

But your selfish and want to exclude rifle hunters in your bow season.

Gun hunters are already hunting my bow season...at least for a month of it. If the state says we can go longer then thats fine by me. The fact is however the same bowhunting lobbying group that fights to keep xbows out would do the same for the gun expansion. Many guys like you hate anything other than what you want. No matter the link or fact I show you. You will say it's biased so you have covered yourself no matter what. A blind man can not see....

I posted a link to another forum with guys stating how they hunt with both and they tell you how there is no big advantage with xbows....are theses guys your peers...why would they be biased. Wouldn't they be the ones to ask? No, the only ones you want to listen to are guys like you that don't want any part of them and will not face the facts.

He's trying to get you to admit the reason gun hunters have a shorter season is because they can pile up the numbers much faster and he believes xbows can do the same because they're "so much easier to hunt with". I don't think so. If a scope is such an advantage they have them for compounds but I wouldn't use one. None of that stuff is good when the weather turns, another big disadvantage of an xbow. If anyone uses bino's you know what I'm talking about. I use mine all most non stop and even though they're good ones the weather still causes problems. Might as well be wearing glasses taboot.

Crossbows are less accurate than other bows beyond 50 yds. This is because the bolt is so much shorter and heavier than a standard arrow. Because of this, in order to control the flight of the bolt with a broadhead attached a much larger percentage of the shaft is covered by fletching and the bolt slows much more rapidly than a regular arrow and becomes unstable in flight as the blades on the front of the bolt begin to gain more control than the fletching at the rear. On a Static test using a shooting machine with a regular bow, regardless of its tuning precision will put an arrow in the same hole everytime. A cross bow wil hold a tight group but will not consistently hit the same hole.

Because of the shortness of the shaft and surface area of the fletching crossbows are affected by wind much easier.Although Kinetic energy at 3 ft in front of the bow is greater than a compound bow, said energy drops off rapidly past 30 yds. Although, with modern scopes these problems are mitigated, they do not go away and any percieved advantage is lost in field scenarios. They are heavy and unweildy, louder, and harder to steady on target when compared to any other bows. Since the majority of the weight is at the front end, they are harder to steady on target than a rifle.

In target competitions where both bows and crossbows are used the specialized target crossbows generally score lower than the compound and target recurves used. The two main causes of this are shooter fatigue and the inherent physics of the crossbow bolts.

No, those opinions from another site. Called a forum, I never saw you post the first piece of peer reviewed studies that were unbiased. You haven't because you can't.

Only person you want to listen too is guys like you that agree with you that an arrowgun is a bow. Simply not true.

If you can't listen to hunters that have experience with both then I don't know what else to do. You are dead set in you opinion. I suppose there have been enough studies to prove that the xbow can be expanded because it's happening more and more. In the end you are losing this argument because they are and will be included in bow season.

OK lets turn it around and you show me your "facts". Show me that a xbow is more dangerous. Show me how the xbow has a much longer range. Oh...thats right you can't....you started off stating how they were a longer range weapon and I shot you down in your tracks. You also said that the MD season was up for debate yet it had already passed....you are out of touch and blind.

One more thing...if the xbow is easier to shoot wouldn't that be a good thing for the guys that cant devote all the time needed with a bow? Isn't it more ethical to be able to make a clean kill? Or do you even care?

You guys have one heck of a grudge match going on about this topic.

I live in MD and yes I think the xbow should be only be utilized by those who are medically unstable to shoot a conventional bow, but I've been bow hunting in MD for almost 20 years now and I'm just set in my ways. Do I think the xbow guys are unsafe compared to bow hunters, No. Have times changed since the good old days of needing a medical condition to be able to get a xbow permit, Yes. Is the need to control the deer population in MD come to the realization that getting more deer hunters in the woods means giving everyone the right to use an xbow, Yes.

On a side note, I have an uncle who now uses an xbow, trust me his back fusions would be enough to get him the xbow permit, if that were the case. But I have to tell you, My Hoyt is much faster then his xbow, My hoyt is quieter then his xbow. Hell my Hoyt simply out performs his xbow across the board. Do I think it is easier to shoot an xbow (less muscle memory needed, or dexterity for that matter), sure but that is what he needs, because of his back issues. Would I ever consider using a xbow just because it's legal to and because it's easier to shoot, No. I like shooting my compound, but if others feel the need to shoot something different then I do, then so be it, who are we to judge what others do.

Matt

Not by most states.

The DNR official I talked too, said its going to be looked at this year and they will see where it goes. So yes, its up to debate. Unlike you I fight a fight until the end. I don't just lay down.

You wants fact? Most arrowgun shooters use thier arrow guns at full draw, thats 100-250lbs of tension. This is dangerous, as I clearly showed with examples of hunters being kicked off patabsco park walking around with fully draw arrowguns. Then we had the 12 year old killed who was carrying around a fully drawn arrowgun. This is not uncommon among arrowgun shooters. There's your proof. Facts.

If that is your arguement now, then it only makes sense for weapon of choise season. Been saying this the whole time.