So crossbow are legal now......
07-16-2010 | 11:27 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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What would I think? Hmmm. How about "I wish the idiot who shot me had used a fixed blade cut-on-contact broadhead. Then I wouldn't have to pull the arrow the rest of the way out and finish the job that mech couldn't handle."
07-16-2010 | 11:36 AM
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See, I was thinking something different. I would be thinking, "dang, one of those new arrowgun shooters tried to shoot thru brush at 60 yards, and hit me".
07-16-2010 | 11:55 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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I hunted with a TenPoint Pro-Slider crossbow for a month or so after shoulder surgery one year. I took a (questionable) 25 yard shot at a doe walking almost straight towards me, ever-so-slightly quartering to the right. The bolt tipped with a Grim Reaper entered just in front of the right front shoulder, exited way back low on the right behind the ribs, then passed through her right hindquarter.
Naw, if it it'd been an "arrowgun" shooter, you'd have felt an itch, looked down and wondered where the blood was coming from.
On a side note, I couldn't wait to get back to my compound. It's easier to use than a crossbow.
07-16-2010 | 12:29 PM
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Calling a crossbow a cross gun is just a serious lack of fact and truthfully, you need to educate yourselves who call them that.
explain yourself
yes, even those do not have shells/bullets and powder, the very things that make guns, guns.
yes, says me because I have probably more experience with crossbows than almost anyone here does
see thats the things, ya'll are speaking from ignorant fears and P&Y scare tactics, whereas I am not.
if you want to talk abortion, start a thread, this is on crossbows
Few founding fathers of bowhunting embraced the compound - they almost all fought against them.
Bow season IS what it is because of the compound.
The crossbow could do the same, and that's not a bad thing is it?
explain yourself
bigcountry - consider this
until triggers are illegal on compounds
until high tech sights are
until high letoffs are
until ultra high speeds are
until long range accuracy are
until easy to use are
until drawing in the prescense of game is addressed by P&Y
until all those things are illegal on crossbows and addressed, you're pissing in the wind trying use them against the crossbows because in almost every way a compound will outperform and outshoot crossbows
another fact you'll hate - most bowhunters in crossbow legal states hunt with compounds. funny that huh? I think Ohio might be more a 50-50 deal, they are the exception
I never see a crossbow hunter in the woods except for my 75 year old Dad.
Never. All compounds. Never another recurve or longbow either.
See, that's just idiocy. Did you forget about powder and bullets?
anotehr fact you'll hate - most states allow crossbows in YOUR archery season. Did you know? Oh, you might have to have a special permit but they ARE allowed.
how many states allow modern guns, pistols, shotguns, muzzleloaders etc in archery season for handi-cap"?
zero
none
nada
because they're not bows
lets educate ourselves, shall we?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gun
1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rifle
1 a : a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firearm
: a weapon from which a shot is discharged by gunpowder —usually used of small arms
there you go, chain the definitions together, base them on each other and see what you get?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crossbow
: a weapon for shooting quarrels and stones that consists chiefly of a short bow mounted crosswise near the end of a stock
Your Game and FIsh Commissions look at these things, then they look at other states and how the crossbow impacts the hunting.
Then they allow them in, more and more, because they see there is just P&Y scare tactics and old wives tales.
Nothing more.
You wanna have some fun? Define what a BOW is. I think once you dig deep and do, you'll have to admit a compound isn't really a bow anymore.
You crack me up. Your not even consistent anymore.
Not the ones they are referring too with magnified scopes and laser pointers shooting upwards of 350fps. The ones steeped in history has a yew or ash prod, and cannot be held at full draw very long at all without breakage or set. I am actually trying to build one now.
Says you and crossbow shops. Imagine that huh? kinda like saying abortion has been legal for decades but has no negative impact on society. What was your view on that?
see thats the things, ya'll are speaking from ignorant fears and P&Y scare tactics, whereas I am not.
if you want to talk abortion, start a thread, this is on crossbows
Now, your talking. But what was Roy Case's gear he used to take his deer in the 1930's? Lets see if you know WI history of the first bow season and why it started, why they fought for such an extended season with bows. Why WI and Roy Case was against crossbows and WI still is. It was only the start of the bow season in the US.
Bow season IS what it is because of the compound.
The crossbow could do the same, and that's not a bad thing is it?
Like canned hunting? I guess you have changed your views?
bigcountry - consider this
until triggers are illegal on compounds
until high tech sights are
until high letoffs are
until ultra high speeds are
until long range accuracy are
until easy to use are
until drawing in the prescense of game is addressed by P&Y
until all those things are illegal on crossbows and addressed, you're pissing in the wind trying use them against the crossbows because in almost every way a compound will outperform and outshoot crossbows
another fact you'll hate - most bowhunters in crossbow legal states hunt with compounds. funny that huh? I think Ohio might be more a 50-50 deal, they are the exception
I never see a crossbow hunter in the woods except for my 75 year old Dad.
Never. All compounds. Never another recurve or longbow either.
A xbow is a rifle that shoots an arrow.period
anotehr fact you'll hate - most states allow crossbows in YOUR archery season. Did you know? Oh, you might have to have a special permit but they ARE allowed.
how many states allow modern guns, pistols, shotguns, muzzleloaders etc in archery season for handi-cap"?
zero
none
nada
because they're not bows
lets educate ourselves, shall we?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gun
1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rifle
1 a : a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firearm
: a weapon from which a shot is discharged by gunpowder —usually used of small arms
there you go, chain the definitions together, base them on each other and see what you get?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crossbow
: a weapon for shooting quarrels and stones that consists chiefly of a short bow mounted crosswise near the end of a stock
Your Game and FIsh Commissions look at these things, then they look at other states and how the crossbow impacts the hunting.
Then they allow them in, more and more, because they see there is just P&Y scare tactics and old wives tales.
Nothing more.
You wanna have some fun? Define what a BOW is. I think once you dig deep and do, you'll have to admit a compound isn't really a bow anymore.
07-16-2010 | 12:48 PM
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Guess you missed the post about caulkguns, and glue guns, and heat guns.
So Brad, if someone took a staplegun and stabled your fingers, would you really think you got shot by a bullet proprelled by gunpowder? You really believe that? You seriously lack fact and truthfulness if you think a staplegun uses bullets and gunpowder.
I just know you have used the arguement before that if it doesn't effect you, why should you care. But then change it when it comes to high fense hunting.
Your not consistent. Explained.
See in this post you say all guns use powder and bullets, but you can't understand how other tools are called guns. Your not very good at this argument are you brad?
So Brad, if someone took a staplegun and stabled your fingers, would you really think you got shot by a bullet proprelled by gunpowder? You really believe that? You seriously lack fact and truthfulness if you think a staplegun uses bullets and gunpowder.
I just know you have used the arguement before that if it doesn't effect you, why should you care. But then change it when it comes to high fense hunting.
Your not consistent. Explained.
See in this post you say all guns use powder and bullets, but you can't understand how other tools are called guns. Your not very good at this argument are you brad?
Calling a crossbow a cross gun is just a serious lack of fact and truthfully, you need to educate yourselves who call them that.
explain yourself
yes, even those do not have shells/bullets and powder, the very things that make guns, guns.
yes, says me because I have probably more experience with crossbows than almost anyone here does
see thats the things, ya'll are speaking from ignorant fears and P&Y scare tactics, whereas I am not.
if you want to talk abortion, start a thread, this is on crossbows
Few founding fathers of bowhunting embraced the compound - they almost all fought against them.
Bow season IS what it is because of the compound.
The crossbow could do the same, and that's not a bad thing is it?
explain yourself
bigcountry - consider this
until triggers are illegal on compounds
until high tech sights are
until high letoffs are
until ultra high speeds are
until long range accuracy are
until easy to use are
until drawing in the prescense of game is addressed by P&Y
until all those things are illegal on crossbows and addressed, you're pissing in the wind trying use them against the crossbows because in almost every way a compound will outperform and outshoot crossbows
another fact you'll hate - most bowhunters in crossbow legal states hunt with compounds. funny that huh? I think Ohio might be more a 50-50 deal, they are the exception
I never see a crossbow hunter in the woods except for my 75 year old Dad.
Never. All compounds. Never another recurve or longbow either.
See, that's just idiocy. Did you forget about powder and bullets?
anotehr fact you'll hate - most states allow crossbows in YOUR archery season. Did you know? Oh, you might have to have a special permit but they ARE allowed.
how many states allow modern guns, pistols, shotguns, muzzleloaders etc in archery season for handi-cap"?
zero
none
nada
because they're not bows
lets educate ourselves, shall we?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gun
1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rifle
1 a : a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firearm
: a weapon from which a shot is discharged by gunpowder —usually used of small arms
there you go, chain the definitions together, base them on each other and see what you get?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crossbow
: a weapon for shooting quarrels and stones that consists chiefly of a short bow mounted crosswise near the end of a stock
Your Game and FIsh Commissions look at these things, then they look at other states and how the crossbow impacts the hunting.
Then they allow them in, more and more, because they see there is just P&Y scare tactics and old wives tales.
Nothing more.
You wanna have some fun? Define what a BOW is. I think once you dig deep and do, you'll have to admit a compound isn't really a bow anymore.
explain yourself
yes, even those do not have shells/bullets and powder, the very things that make guns, guns.
yes, says me because I have probably more experience with crossbows than almost anyone here does
see thats the things, ya'll are speaking from ignorant fears and P&Y scare tactics, whereas I am not.
if you want to talk abortion, start a thread, this is on crossbows
Few founding fathers of bowhunting embraced the compound - they almost all fought against them.
Bow season IS what it is because of the compound.
The crossbow could do the same, and that's not a bad thing is it?
explain yourself
bigcountry - consider this
until triggers are illegal on compounds
until high tech sights are
until high letoffs are
until ultra high speeds are
until long range accuracy are
until easy to use are
until drawing in the prescense of game is addressed by P&Y
until all those things are illegal on crossbows and addressed, you're pissing in the wind trying use them against the crossbows because in almost every way a compound will outperform and outshoot crossbows
another fact you'll hate - most bowhunters in crossbow legal states hunt with compounds. funny that huh? I think Ohio might be more a 50-50 deal, they are the exception
I never see a crossbow hunter in the woods except for my 75 year old Dad.
Never. All compounds. Never another recurve or longbow either.
See, that's just idiocy. Did you forget about powder and bullets?
anotehr fact you'll hate - most states allow crossbows in YOUR archery season. Did you know? Oh, you might have to have a special permit but they ARE allowed.
how many states allow modern guns, pistols, shotguns, muzzleloaders etc in archery season for handi-cap"?
zero
none
nada
because they're not bows
lets educate ourselves, shall we?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gun
1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rifle
1 a : a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firearm
: a weapon from which a shot is discharged by gunpowder —usually used of small arms
there you go, chain the definitions together, base them on each other and see what you get?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crossbow
: a weapon for shooting quarrels and stones that consists chiefly of a short bow mounted crosswise near the end of a stock
Your Game and FIsh Commissions look at these things, then they look at other states and how the crossbow impacts the hunting.
Then they allow them in, more and more, because they see there is just P&Y scare tactics and old wives tales.
Nothing more.
You wanna have some fun? Define what a BOW is. I think once you dig deep and do, you'll have to admit a compound isn't really a bow anymore.
07-16-2010 | 02:09 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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Guess you missed the post about caulkguns, and glue guns, and heat guns.
If those things you listed are guns, take them hunting during the next modern gun rifle season. You REALLY think they'd qualify as legal hunting guns?
Seriously?
I just know you have used the arguement before that if it doesn't effect you, why should you care. But then change it when it comes to high fense hunting.
Your not consistent. Explained.
Your not consistent. Explained.
High fenced hunting fuels the anti-hunting zealots, which in turn DOES affect me and my kids rights to hunt. I thought you could connect simple dots, my bad
See in this post you say all guns use powder and bullets, but you can't understand how other tools are called guns. Your not very good at this argument are you brad?
you're wanting to take a hot glue gun deer hunting ......... lol that's funny &^%$ right there!
Last edited by Ranger77; 07-16-2010 at 02:11 PM.
07-16-2010 | 03:07 PM
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You guys that say a xbow is a rifle are just crazy to put it mildly. They are a crossbow. Not a gun. Stop making yourself look foolish. A gun shoots a bullet or shell with the use of gun powder.
If you were standing in the woods and you get shot in the back and an arrow and broadhead are sticking out of your stomach what would you think....?? Would you think I was shot with a gun?
They are three different weapons with the xbow and bow having very close ties.
There are locking devices that keep a bow at full draw until you want to shoot them also....are they now a gun too??
If you were standing in the woods and you get shot in the back and an arrow and broadhead are sticking out of your stomach what would you think....?? Would you think I was shot with a gun?
They are three different weapons with the xbow and bow having very close ties.
There are locking devices that keep a bow at full draw until you want to shoot them also....are they now a gun too??
Nimrod here said, and I quote, "They are a crossbow. Not a gun. Stop making yourself look foolish. A gun shoots a bullet or shell with the use of gun powder. ".
Now this gave me a pretty good laugh. Because not all guns, which the actual defintion says launches a projectile by pressure. But again, lack of education on Kybuck's side. Yes, he can help it, I pointed him to several places of higher learning, but he refuses to try to better himself.
I ask Kybuck to explain why all those tools I pointed him too, has the word gun in it. He ignores, he can't. Or he's not smart enough.
Just wanted to go back and show where foot entered kybuck's mouth.
07-16-2010 | 03:08 PM
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07-16-2010 | 03:10 PM
#320
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Alright r77,the arrowrifle term was ment as sarcasm geuss that went over your head!
But its like this in most,not all states you can use an xbow if handicapped,WHY?because you are physically unable to use a bow.
But here in WV you must have forms filled out by a physician to recieve that permit. So if they are a bow WHY? aren't they already allowed for anyone?
Because there not a bow!
I have no problems with someone who can not use a bow using one.(most are injured bowhunters that go back to thier bow if/when healed)
So lets look at it this way,a muzzleloader is a gun right! lets see it has a steel tube with rifling,uses gunpowder shoots a bullet! looks like a gun,shoots like a gun must be a gun right?
So if a muzzleloader is a gun Why do we have special seasons for them? My.270,30.06 my AK and the rest of my rifles are guns too, so should we be allowed to use them in muzzleloader season? I think not and WHY? because they do not load from the muzzle!
Just as your xbow although shooting an arrow is not drawn,held and released by HAND to launch the arrow!!
Its like this you want to use xbow fine,but they should have thier own season even if only a few days,not substituted for something thier not!
If we start arguing for the right to substitute weapons for what ever reason in different season,then BC is 100% right, we should have a season that is weapon of choice.
But its like this in most,not all states you can use an xbow if handicapped,WHY?because you are physically unable to use a bow.
But here in WV you must have forms filled out by a physician to recieve that permit. So if they are a bow WHY? aren't they already allowed for anyone?
Because there not a bow!
I have no problems with someone who can not use a bow using one.(most are injured bowhunters that go back to thier bow if/when healed)
So lets look at it this way,a muzzleloader is a gun right! lets see it has a steel tube with rifling,uses gunpowder shoots a bullet! looks like a gun,shoots like a gun must be a gun right?
So if a muzzleloader is a gun Why do we have special seasons for them? My.270,30.06 my AK and the rest of my rifles are guns too, so should we be allowed to use them in muzzleloader season? I think not and WHY? because they do not load from the muzzle!
Just as your xbow although shooting an arrow is not drawn,held and released by HAND to launch the arrow!!
Its like this you want to use xbow fine,but they should have thier own season even if only a few days,not substituted for something thier not!
If we start arguing for the right to substitute weapons for what ever reason in different season,then BC is 100% right, we should have a season that is weapon of choice.
Last edited by wvnimrod; 07-17-2010 at 09:44 AM.