Still the facts don't support that xbows are inherently more dangerous. Hunting as a whole is very safe. More people are killed in treestand falls and heart attacks from pulling deer out than death by all weapons. If a weapon is unsafe most times it the hunter that made it unsafe....and that can happen with all of them. Surely you don't mean to say that xbow hunters are the only ones that do stupid things or have a higher percentage of stupid users....if so show me facts to back this up.

A bow hunting accident claimed the life of a Mountain City man Saturday evening. Michael Todd Stout, 43, 920 A. Davis Lane, died from massive blood loss after an arrow accidentally pierced the calf area of his leg, according to the Johnson County Sheriff's Department.

JCSD Deputy Johnny Roberts responded to Davis Lane after a neighbor called reporting the accident at approximately 5:30 p.m. Roberts found Stout in the front seat of his vehicle not far from his home.

"It is determined that the victim was walking with (the) bow in his left hand with (the) arrow in (the) bow and had apparently tripped, jabbing the arrow into his left leg," Roberts' report states. Roberts determined Stout removed the arrow from his leg before walking nearly one mile down the mountain to his vehicle, where he constructed a tourniquet for the wound then drove approximately a half mile before passing out from blood loss. Because Stout was driving a manual vehicle, his car came to a stop, according to the police report.

Roberts stated Stout possibly remained in his vehicle between one to four hours before a neighbor found him. He was transported to the Johnson County Health Center where he died due to massive blood loss, according to Johnson County Coroner Willie Debord.

Foul play is not suspected in the case.

Stout is survived by his wife, Lisa Henson Stout, and two daughters, Jessica and Rebekah.

You know, your slowly gettin it. But no, I don't have to show you or convince you of anything. Bottom line is anybody that carries around a fully drawn arrowgun with an arrow is a complete idiot. Its that simple.

What about the story I just posted of the bow hunter doing the very same thing.....no comment?? Carring a bow with an arrow and killed himself. I read a post once where a guy ask how many bowhunters packed and arrow in their bow while walking to the stand. A lot of guys did to my surprise. Even though it's not ****ed it can still cause harm as you can see.

You don't want to show me because you can't. The facts just don't back up your claim of xbows being unsafe. Just another myth you have locked in your head.

I can post several stories of hunters doing stupid things. Several stories on bow hunters shooting other people mistaking them for animals. It that the weapons fault or a poor choice by the hunter??

It's more to do with training and education. I was taught by my dad many years ago to respect all weapons and he told me no animal is worth killing someone over. I think most guys live by these words although some will take shortcuts and do something stupid. Not one certain group has the market cornered on stupid by the way.

Honestly, I didn't read your story. It looked rather long winded and something you did an internet search for. Anyone can do that. And besides it didn't happen anywhere near me as far as I can tell.

Hey, I hate to tell you the obvious, but I showed you. You know the 12 year old boy. Duh. Keep up. Your not very quick are you?

Again, any many xbowers walks around with a bolt full drawn. Its stupid, and dangerous. A arrowgun promotes that. If you can't grasp that, I will again have to explain that you are not capable of understanding the most elementary of things, hense no one can have an intelligent conversation with you.

xbowers might have it. I have yet to see too many of them not. By your posts on this subject alone might warrant that xbowers has that market cornered.

The reason you can't have an intelligent conversation is you only lock into your little world and refuse to look at anything you don't like. You have one case of a 12 yo boy and nothing more. You read my story but you can't admit you are wrong. I show one case of a bow death and you show one case of a xbow death. I guess they are both full of dangerous idiots as you put it. Lets ban them both.

You keep stating the danger factor of xbows yet the numbers don't back it up. I can show you statistics on ATV deaths and accidents because records are kept on these things. Same with gun deaths.....same with everything.

You would make a horrible lawyer....you have no facts and only come in and present your case with conjecture and rumors and indiscriminately lump a group of people together as all bad. You sound just like all the PETA people...you have the exact same reasoning process.

Ky, I am not here to convince you. Ever since the start of this, you have done nothing but try to poke holes thru everything I have said, even though my opinion was not pointed in your direction from the start. I have been patient and respectful to you thru your hords and hords of questioning. Your really not offereing me anything. No money in my pocket, no food in my stomach. I am here for amusement. And you have came thru at all levels. And I thank you for that. You and bigblulls have gave me so many laughs.

You may not make a good lawyer, but would make an excellent party clown. I can say however BB would beat you as clown. There is no better clown on HNI.

Let me ask you a serious question. Should clear things up to a logical person. If all your personal experiences with a xbow was bad. Litterly all. And say a 12 year old killed himself with a xbow near your house or lease, whathave you. Would you not have formed your own personal opinion, regardless of internet proof and searches and statistics? I posted experience after experience I have seen or personally witnessed, you have side stepped them all.

Honestly, if a person can't grasp that carrying something around that has 100-250lbs of tension is foolish, and honestly, you have grasped it, then that person shouldn't even be allowed in the woods.

Another question, how many xbow hunters do you think hunt with thier bows at full draw? How many of these guys do you think walks around with them at full draw with an arrow in them? No internet searchs, just your opinion?

I can respect your opinion on the subject but your fears are unfounded.

There was a kid who dropped his gun out of the deerstand a few miles from where I hunt a couple years ago. The gun went off and shot him in the head. I heard the ambulance that day. Does that one incident prove anything ? It's very sad but is an isolated thing.

Some people form an opinion about a race of people from a single incident or two also. That's what you have done. You lump all xbow people as lazy and danerous and thats not true in the least. Some are but most are not.... just like and other hunting demographic.

Yes, walking with a loaded xbow can be dangerous and I wouldn't do it. Walking with a loaded gun can also be dangerous. Crossing a fence with a loaded gun can be dangerous. All weapons can be dangerous and must be treated with respect.

When I was a kid I was walking with a shotgun on my shoulder and I didnt have the safety on and I hit the trigger. It went off and if someone had been behind me it would have killed them. I scared me to death. I got lucky and learned a valuable lesson....... My cousin was shot and killed by his son in a tragic quail hunting accident. I know how dangerous hunting can be. I also know more times than not it is safe but it's up to the individual to be safe.

Holy, cow, mental note: don't go hunting with Kybuck and his family.

I got a crossbow (Barnett) after my shoulder surgery. I took a deer with it that year and felt like I was cheating somehow (even though it was legal). I haven't deer hunted with it since. BUT, I do like to use it for varmints! If it's legal and you enjoy it, there's no issue here.