"If I've said it once I posted it a dozen times that I feel you as hunters have the ability to control the quality of your hunting, some of you don't want to hear that and blame bureaucrats for destroying Pa's deer herds. I refuse to let some pencil head in Harrisburg take from me something I love."

Then perhaps you should stop saying it because it isnt true. There are 900,000 hunters in the state and each simply cant buy land. there isnt enough to go around. Take out the citys towns roads, stateforests gamelands etc. that arent for sale...all the private land not for sale, then whats left? Enough for each man to own a 1/4 acre parcel? lol. That makes a much sense as telling all the unsuccessful hunters to hunt longer harder, and become more skilled.... When it doesnt matter there are only "x" number of deer that can be harvested and keep the herd stable without reducing further...

If anyone in particular can and wants as good hunting as they can possibly have, Id advise buying land and managing it well. I dont think anyone expecting decent hunting should have to however. There is no excuse for pizz poor deer management that puts hunter satisfaction at such a low priority (no priority).

This is the same blue bird that constantly post how the MSY is over 40 owdd yet the blame commission keeps it below 12 and when some actually has those deer numbers he points out the down side of to many deer destroying neighbors private interest. Remarkable!

Maybe theres two birds out there?

If you knew what you were talking about , you would know an MSY carrying capacity of 40 OWD PSM results in significant over browsing. You would also know that I never suggested the herd should be managed at 40 DPSM, I simply pointed out that the habitat could support 40 DPSM on a sustainable basis.

If you actually read and understood what I posted ,you wouldn't post such nonsense.

I'll answer your question again.It's amazing that you still keep spewing the same nonsense over and over again.

The game lands are not managed for the same deer densities as the state forests.If they were,they would get dmap'd like the state forests.Since the game lands are not dmap'd and have less tags available,it proof that your logic is as flawed as the crap you keep posting about the clubbing of all the poor innocent bambi's.

[quote=bluebird2;3408205]If you knew what you were talking about , you would know an MSY carrying capacity of 40 OWD PSM results in significant over browsing.

Nice to see how you recognize that.Tell me again why overbrowsing isn't bad.

You post nothing of any educational value, hence the name twister that you strive so hard to maintain.
You contradict your self continually but with your limited mental capacity I see how that could happen without your knowledge.
You are a bitter little man the post little more than out of context quotes, half truths and basic lies. Its been shown time and time again.
Your baffle them with bull **** style of posting fools only the foolish, you should of given up on that years ago, but instead of enjoying the great things this state has to offer you would rather whine like child on a rainy day.

That only applies to those of you are are so ignorant that you can't understand the basic concepts or terminology of deer management. All you care about is your little deer farm and your personal gratification, while I care about managing the herd for the max. benefit of all hunters rather than a select few.

Here is an example of the educational value of one of your silly posts.

Total jibberish!!!

I just dont see my needs to defend my postion. Ol Blue just doesnt understand the concept,and it has been proven time and time again he just twist whatever you say.

Of course I understand your position. You want more deer than the PGC will allow and you have enough land in an area with good habitat so your land can support 50 DPSM, just like the land in Valley Forge and Gettysburg can support 200 DPSM. the land in my area could also support 200 DPSM, but the previous PGC DD goals said the land could only support 6 DPSM.

So neither you nor I support the PGC's DD goals, but you control enough land to defeat the PGC's HR plan. The vast majority of hunters aren't so lucky. count your blessings and stop bashing your fellow hunters.

I do not ever remember bashing my fellow hunters ? You are right i am lucky i control over 2000 acres, some of it is my neighbors. But i rent exclusive hunting rights from him . Rent may be the wrong work since i allow him to work some of my fields for exclusive hunting rights to his lands .
But not all is luck, I have worked hard for many years to own what i own. While my buddy's was buying nonsense. I had a house payment at 18 . A old run down farm then i sunk and sacrificed alot to keep adding adjoining land over the years. But yes god has blessed me over the years. my businesses have panned out thou been threw rough times, always pulled up those boot straps held head up and marched forward.
Many people thought i was a fool wasting all that money on land. maybe i am maybe they are .