I didn't twist anything you said and I didn't tell you how to manage your land. All I said is that the fact that you need all those DMAP tags to control the herd , proves that you didn't harvest enough does in the past.

BTW, how much will the harvest of 21-25 doe , reduce the herd on your property ? Or, will it just keep the herd stable?

kinda off topic but it has been for days
That could all depend on what the hunter shoots.Hopefully all shoots big ol doe,But with all the first and second year hunters. I wont no for sure till january 2010. And i certainly wouldnt hold it against the first year hunter if they take a fawn.
AT this TIME i want to decrease the herd in my area.

1080 acres is 1.68 sq miles. That's alot of land. let's assume from your statemenst that it's quality mixed farmland/ hardwoods. If you are seiring to reduce the herd with less than 32 does harvested, then of course your harvest has to exceed recruitment. On average...about 18-20 doe will provide you with a recruitment of 32 deer.... More if your habitat is better than the state averages... If you are wintering about 20 doe, you can assume that you probably have half that many bucks at a 1:2 ratio...so you are only wintering about 30 deer...but not per mile...per 1.68 miles. Thats less than 18 dpsm. Unless you are a habitat hero, commercial farmer, or running a timber operation , Why wouldn't you want more deer than that on your own land? QDM practicioners on much smaller tracts often manage for densities over 40 owdpsm. You are selling yourself short...or if you have deer densities much higher than that than your harvest goal will not be sufficient to reduce the herd for you. Only you know how many deer you really have. I only provided an example of a hypothetical herd size that could be reduced by a harvest of only 32 deer on a piece of land that size.

mostly because i will be logging this winter ,and want good regeneration for a few years . And by ridding around property you can see 75 deer in half mile stretch of road . on some nights. on the same hand you know all those deer dont live there
Need to thin them down a bit . IMHO oh considering i am in northeast pa mountains
i certainly would not consider it Quality farmland.
not a habitat hero, commercial farmer, Just like to keep the wood growing with healthy deer running in it . for good woods.and deer for many generations.
once the deer pop needs to come back up i will not allow doe hunting for a few years.and hold a deer pop of 50 to 60 for about 10 years till the little forester girl come back.

Judging by your statement, I'd say you have alot more deer than can be reduced by harvesting less than 32 doe. If you are seeing 75 deer in a half mile....that's alot and you're surely not seeing them all. Let's just say for reference that you do have a DD of 75 dpsm. That means on your property there are approx. 126 deer. If you wintered that many deer, then a general ratio of 1 buck : 2 doe, means you wintered 86 doe. A recruitment rate of 1.5 per doe assuming you aren't overrun with coyotes or bears would recruit 129 fawns. (I'm not allowing for young doe fawns that did not breed or may only birth one fawn.Lots of other variables we could get into.) Just keeping it basic to show that if you are seeing numbers of deer like that 32 doe tags isn't even close to keeping up with recruitment. Chances are with DD that high, nature will soon begin controlling the herd if it hasn't already. Unless you maintain alot of supplemental food year round it will be hard to support numbers like that for very long. Most guys would reccomend reducing a herd of that size.....and it just can't be done without alot more doe tags than that.
If you are serious about managing your own land and reducing your herd, there are alot of folks you can talk to to steer you in the right direction,but I think they'll all reccomend alot bigger doe harvest at those densities.

The people that have been here'claim a deer herd of 50to 60dpsm' But i have seen more than that in a half mile field. But that many is not always here. Have alot of coyotes. Hear them every nite. I dont see winter kill
But the buck to doe ratio is far off from 1 to 2
The herd average a ny state wildlife biologist come up with was 52 this july.
52 -25=27 x2=54 as long 2 fawns die next year . my herd would stay stable at best if you go by tables it would shrink and i think we all know all 27 doe will not have 2 fawns that live.and that predators will get some. that would leave me with a 40.5 dpsm after deer season. Guess someone only got half a deer. Herd health was good along with good forest. It was under a biologist recommendation that about 25 should be killed . the 40.5 include the 13.5 buck 27+13.5=40.5 owdpsm In talking with the biologist next year we should cut herd another 10 to keep a 30 dpsm for a few years to allow for regeneration. so with fawns late next summer we should have 45 to 50 depending on fawn survival 50-32=18+ 9 bucks this would be summer 2013 18x2=36+9=45 so it would stay stable to about 40 dpsm knowing all 18 wont have 2 fawns that make it. which would put me closer to the 30 dpsm the bio suggested
Since i am logging this winter there will be plenty of food over winter. If the herd grows much i can take out more doe next year to keep a healthy herd .
make any sense

You could also recruit your buddies to do a pellet count next spring. Also a good way to locate sheds with all the additional eyes in the woods. That'll give you a really close estimate of how many you wintered and the sheds will show you what kind of bucks made it through.. I'd try and get a handle on those 'yotes though.

Those yotes are a issue. Last winter during a coyote hunt they got 4 . I just do not get the time myself. But alot of the neighbors hunt them for the coyote hunts.

If you are managing your herd at 50 DPSM you have around twice as deer as in the rest of 3c, where only 53% of the plots are regenerating.

I really miss your point in the never ending nonsensical pointless posts. You refuse to read his posts about food plot's, browse cuts and other deer supporting activities that those of us that strive to make our hunting better spend our time and money on through out the year on.

You add not one positive aspect to any thread you participate in, bitching and whining are like tits on a bull, once the novelty wheres off they are useless.