Genetics weren't a problem before ARs , but they may become a problem due to ARs. You can't improve the genetics of the herd by harvesting the best in each age class and leaving lesser quality buck to become dominant breeders. Even the PGC admits that ARs have potential negative effects.

i wish all these guys that think thattheir truths contradict others agendas would just put their pictures where their thoughts are,,,i see a whole lot of "IM KILLIN BIGGER DEER NOW THAT I EVER DID" stories,,,but i have yet to see the pics,,,Livbucks put 2 pics back on page 4 of this thread and i guess their ok bucks,,,but then again if thats what he's killin in "the honey hole" the ones he's passin up in the "****house" aint nothin to be braggin about??? Like Steve863 said,,,the genetics just are not there yet,,,maybe in the future but just not now. I got busted earlier for the ever so funny comebacks such as "you must not be an archery hunter",,,,,"Somebody musta beat ya to it",,,,what a joke,,i will start archery huntin sept 6th this year and finish up march 3rd i believe the date is (dont quote me!!!!) and i will hunt every season in between at least 3 hours a day 6 days a week every week,,i will buy my Pa. non resident liscense for both my son and I and i will hunt hard for 6 days there,,but im not expectin any big surprises in Pa.

If you need to ask this question, you really are not much of a student of whitetails. There actually is a solid reason for this and it actually has nothing to do with genetics.

You'd be surprised at how little genetics has to do with antler development. Probably.

Here are a few trail cam pictures of some nice buck from around wgere I hunt. I never said we had buckets of booners running around, but I did say that we had nicer buck since AR's.

You can also see some of the nice buck that we have taken on my Outdoor Channel page: http://www.myoutdoorchannel.com/white-tail-deer/gallery/view_gallery.one?pid=27537121








These guys aren't booners but they are aheck of alot better buck than we were seeing before AR's.

Actually genetics has a lot to do with antler development and that was proven by the Kerr study. One of the critical factors that effects PA the most is the rate of antler development. Studies have shown it takes the average 1.5 spike three years before it catches up with the average 1.5 6 or 8 pt.

That means the average 1.5 buck doesn't live long enough to match the potential of the 1.5 6 or 8 pt. that gets harvested as a 1.5 buck.

Ahhh, but you only tell the facts that seem to support your stance.
Tell us the distinction between a 1.5 spike and a 1.5 8-point.
How did they come to be what they are at 1.5?
Did you know that at maturity there is no difference between the two?
You don't purport that genetics is the reason do you?
It is very likely that the 1.5 spike can likely be a massive 12 point at maturity, and just as likely the 1.5 8-point will still be 8, only just as massive.
Why do you continue with the propaganda?

The 1.5 spike may be a spike due to genetics or the fact that he was a late born BB. The 1.5 8pt. is an 8 pt. because he had the genetics for a high rate of antler. development.
That simply is not true. There is no study that shows every 1.5 spike will equal a 1.5 8 pt. at maturity. The average 1.5 spike may accomplish that, but in PA it doesn't matter much since the vast majority are harvested as 2.5 buck.

you asked what ole sproulman has complained about on AR.

i like AR but if junior hunter like yourself before did not have to look for horns etc.
now you do, thats great.

crews with junior hunters DONT LOOK, they just shoot and kid tags it or adult has kids tag.

THIS HAS TO STOP.

brown its down with kids tag available is ruining the AR program.

it should be 3 or 4 point rule for all of us.

then let kid be the ONLY hunters to harvest a DOE,no adult can kill a doe in WMU2G.

KIDS ONLY.

WHEN YOU GET 16, THEN YOU CANT KILL DOE .

this would get more kids involved and still let bucks mature.

Half right again....

Studies have shown that late born BB's often carry only spikes but they can eventually catch up although it takes as much as three years. If he gets killed at 2.5 that means the genes WERE there for him to be legal at 2.5

The old theory that spikes have inferior genes has never been substantiated by any credible source.

wrong again....

Studies have also shown that 1.5 bucks with larger racks are very often bucks that were born EARLY the spring before


clever how you slip that word "every" in there. You obviously slip that in there so you can be technically correct but if you had used the word "most" in it's place, the statement would be 100% wrong.

Just one more example of your use of word games to distort the truth to suit your own agenda