i wish all these guys that think thattheir truths contradict others agendas would just put their pictures where their thoughts are,,,i see a whole lot of "IM KILLIN BIGGER DEER NOW THAT I EVER DID" stories,,,but i have yet to see the pics,,,Livbucks put 2 pics back on page 4 of this thread and i guess their ok bucks,,,but then again if thats what he's killin in "the honey hole" the ones he's passin up in the "****house" aint nothin to be braggin about??? Like Steve863 said,,,the genetics just are not there yet,,,maybe in the future but just not now. I got busted earlier for the ever so funny comebacks such as "you must not be an archery hunter",,,,,"Somebody musta beat ya to it",,,,what a joke,,i will start archery huntin sept 6th this year and finish up march 3rd i believe the date is (dont quote me!!!!) and i will hunt every season in between at least 3 hours a day 6 days a week every week,,i will buy my Pa. non resident liscense for both my son and I and i will hunt hard for 6 days there,,but im not expectin any big surprises in Pa.