PA antler restriction
08-08-2008 | 11:11 AM
#81
Giant Nontypical
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From: SW PA USA
RE: PA antler restriction
Wrong again,
That arguement is full of holes. You intentionally create those holes by leaving out important facts. The expected harvest is calculated based on the present kill rates. The PGC knows, percentage wise,how many BB's get killed. If , over time, the% of BB'skilled as anlerless deer drops then theantlerless tag allocations will get adjusted to compensate for it. It's a simple enough concept that I'm sure youare able to grasp it. I beleive you simply choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your agenda.
That arguement is full of holes. You intentionally create those holes by leaving out important facts. The expected harvest is calculated based on the present kill rates. The PGC knows, percentage wise,how many BB's get killed. If , over time, the% of BB'skilled as anlerless deer drops then theantlerless tag allocations will get adjusted to compensate for it. It's a simple enough concept that I'm sure youare able to grasp it. I beleive you simply choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your agenda.
08-08-2008 | 11:45 AM
#82
Nontypical Buck
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RE: PA antler restriction
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Wrong again,
That arguement is full of holes. You intentionally create those holes by leaving out important facts. The expected harvest is calculated based on the present kill rates. The PGC knows, percentage wise,how many BB's get killed. If , over time, the% of BB'skilled as anlerless deer drops then theantlerless tag allocations will get adjusted to compensate for it. It's a simple enough concept that I'm sure youare able to grasp it. I beleive you simply choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your agenda.
Wrong again,
That arguement is full of holes. You intentionally create those holes by leaving out important facts. The expected harvest is calculated based on the present kill rates. The PGC knows, percentage wise,how many BB's get killed. If , over time, the% of BB'skilled as anlerless deer drops then theantlerless tag allocations will get adjusted to compensate for it. It's a simple enough concept that I'm sure youare able to grasp it. I beleive you simply choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your agenda.
He does leave many facts out and picks only those that suit his agenda.
I thinkI noted that very thing, a page or two back.
08-08-2008 | 12:05 PM
#83
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RE: PA antler restriction
BTB & livbucks
I reallythinkyou guys are waisting time on this. I think thereare some really sour grapes involved here.Some of these guys don't even live in Pa.They ask for proof because they're not seeing what we're seeing. How can they expect to come to Pa. for a couple days a year and see or kill big deer? That takes a lot of prep work. When I use to go up to deer camp in Mifflin County it was pure luck when stumbled across a nice buck. I know that. I never expected to see or kill every year. That's not going to happen without spending time up there scouting earlier in theyear which is something I couldn't do.
Nice pictures by the way and good luck this year. As for me, I'm going out back and shoot some arrows so when that elusive small spindly racked buck comes by I'll be ready.
I reallythinkyou guys are waisting time on this. I think thereare some really sour grapes involved here.Some of these guys don't even live in Pa.They ask for proof because they're not seeing what we're seeing. How can they expect to come to Pa. for a couple days a year and see or kill big deer? That takes a lot of prep work. When I use to go up to deer camp in Mifflin County it was pure luck when stumbled across a nice buck. I know that. I never expected to see or kill every year. That's not going to happen without spending time up there scouting earlier in theyear which is something I couldn't do.
Nice pictures by the way and good luck this year. As for me, I'm going out back and shoot some arrows so when that elusive small spindly racked buck comes by I'll be ready.
08-08-2008 | 12:12 PM
#84
Nontypical Buck
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RE: PA antler restriction
You'd be surprised at how little genetics has to do with antler development. Probably.
08-08-2008 | 12:20 PM
#85
Giant Nontypical
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From: SW PA USA
RE: PA antler restriction
ORIGINAL: CCPaHunter
BTB & livbucks
I reallythinkyou guys are waisting time on this. I think thereare some really sour grapes involved here.Some of these guys don't even live in Pa.They ask for proof because they're not seeing what we're seeing. How can they expect to come to Pa. for a couple days a year and see or kill big deer? That takes a lot of prep work. When I use to go up to deer camp in Mifflin County it was pure luck when stumbled across a nice buck. I know that. I never expected to see or kill every year. That's not going to happen without spending time up there scouting earlier in theyear which is something I couldn't do.
Nice pictures by the way and good luck this year. As for me, I'm going out back and shoot some arrows so when that elusive small spindly racked buck comes by I'll be ready.
BTB & livbucks
I reallythinkyou guys are waisting time on this. I think thereare some really sour grapes involved here.Some of these guys don't even live in Pa.They ask for proof because they're not seeing what we're seeing. How can they expect to come to Pa. for a couple days a year and see or kill big deer? That takes a lot of prep work. When I use to go up to deer camp in Mifflin County it was pure luck when stumbled across a nice buck. I know that. I never expected to see or kill every year. That's not going to happen without spending time up there scouting earlier in theyear which is something I couldn't do.
Nice pictures by the way and good luck this year. As for me, I'm going out back and shoot some arrows so when that elusive small spindly racked buck comes by I'll be ready.
As for ole deadderr/ bluebird2/beenthere/ddear/LarrySattelite/etc etc...Something in me just won't let blatant lies go unchallenged. A lie well stuck to and told with an air of authority ( Old Larry's M.O.) needs to be challenged to prevent the casual passerby from accepting the lie. One only needs to watch our electoral process in this great country to know that lies told with authority can and will stick when left unchallenged.
08-08-2008 | 12:22 PM
#86
Nontypical Buck
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RE: PA antler restriction
The expected harvest is calculated based on the present kill rates. The PGC knows, percentage wise, how many BB's get killed. If , over time, the % of BB's killed as anlerless deer drops then the antlerless tag allocations will get adjusted to compensate for it. It's a simple enough concept that I'm sure you are able to grasp it. I beleive you simply choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your agenda.
Whether you realize it or not you just agree with what I said in my post. But you left out one important point because it didn't fit your agenda. That is , many of those hunters that pass on BB will shoot an adult doe instead, so the PGC won't have to issue a lot of additional tags the following year.
Something in me just won't let blatant lies go unchallenged. A lie well stuck to and told with an air of authority ( Old Larry's M.O.) needs to be challenged to prevent the casual passerby from accepting the lie. One only needs to watch our electoral process in this great country to know that lies told with authority can and will stick when left unchallenged.
Anytime you feel up to posting a few of my so called lies , I will be happy to refute your claims with PGC stats or quotes from Dr. Rosenbery, Bret Wallingford or Dr. Demarias or Dr. Kroll. I can't wait to see what you come up with ,but I won't be holding my breath.
08-08-2008 | 12:22 PM
#87
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RE: PA antler restriction
Well Steve, there was an orphaned buck fawn from PA that was raised in captivity, and it became the highest scoring captive whitetail ever at the time. If antler development was mostly based on genetics, and PA has "BAD" ..."shot out" genetics, as was claimed, well, tell me....what are the odds????
You guys....you crack me up with your notions.
Fast-fact.....Did you know that antler size is influenced by social conditions???
Think on that for a little while, even research it a bit.
You guys....you crack me up with your notions.
Fast-fact.....Did you know that antler size is influenced by social conditions???
Think on that for a little while, even research it a bit.
08-08-2008 | 12:23 PM
#88
Boone & Crockett
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From: Southwest Ohio
RE: PA antler restriction
Somebody raised the issue of states like Illinois (where i hunt) that don't have AR. I wouldn't be surprised if they are eventually proposed in Illinois. But if it does happen, the driving force behind it will be outfitters that want to increase the number of trophy bucks even more as well astrophy hunters whose desire for even bigger racks to hang on the wall over-rides all other considerations. But, its the sqeaky wheel that gets the grease. So, if some folks are willing to put in a lot of effort to promote their agenda, then they tend to be the ones that get to call the shots.
08-08-2008 | 12:32 PM
#89
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RE: PA antler restriction
Well Steve, there was an orphaned buck fawn from PA that was raised in captivity, and it became the highest scoring captive whitetail ever at the time. If antler development was mostly based on genetics, and PA has "BAD" ..."shot out" genetics, as was claimed, well, tell me....what are the odds????
You guys....you crack me up with your notions.
You guys....you crack me up with your notions.
Would you please post a link that documents that record captive buck? I have a PGN article that tells a different story.
Do bucks that belong to country clubs have bigger racks? What does Dr. Kroll have to say about social conditions? IMHO, Most big bucks that survive in PA are pretty anti-social.
08-08-2008 | 12:35 PM
#90
Giant Nontypical
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From: SW PA USA
RE: PA antler restriction
Anytime you feel up to posting a few of my so called lies , I will be happy to refute your claims with PGC stats or quotes from Dr. Rosenbery, Bret Wallingford or Dr. Demarias or Dr. Kroll. I can't wait to see what you come up with ,but I won't be holding my breath.
Here's a well known quote from someone I'm sure you regard as a mentor and hero.....
"I gues it just depends on what your definition of "is" is"