Uh, I don't see what's the point of your argument, retriever, a .308 is considered better than the .270 for a brush gun at close range, and .30 cal is ideal for close range, like woodsand brush and swamp,what's your problem with that? There's no reason to go all out rediculous about it, don't act premature, if you have an opinion, say it, instead of throwing a fit.

There really is a such thing as a "brush" gun. If you hit brush with a 308 or a 270 its deflecting no matter what.

Maybe if you are talking some big boys like 45/70s, 450 Marlins, etc those would be better brush deflectors. Just shoot solids and make a trail

Explaining how the .308 is better for deer in brush than a .270 is like trying to explain why soldiers liked the .30 Carbine better than the .223 for jungle warfare in Viet Nam, it's complicated to some, yet it works.

The problem with smaller bullets with higher velocities, is that at close range,well, they have high velocities, and they don't always expand as well as larger bullets do.

Shooting at a thick board of wood at the shooting range with my dad, I was using my .308, and he was using his 7mm Rem Mag, and no doubt, 7mm Rem Mag has got more downrange power and velocity, but when we were shooting the board, my bullets expanded better than his, his would pass through alright, but didn't expand as well, since there wasn't enough time for expansion, it just zipped through, because the 7mm has smaller diameter, and goes through faster, it's like seeing, which item would penetrate the piece of paper better, with a biggerhole and damage, a pencil, or a toothpick?
It's like that, so for close range, that is one reason I would choose the .308 over the .270.

younggun
You are very well "read", but you don't have the experience to be offering advice. Other than bullet weight choices, there is not enough difference in 270 and 308 to be arguing about them. In your comparison of 308 and 7mm magnum shooting boards, were you shooting the same bullet and weight? If not, there is no merit in the comparison.

As for gun brands, I own Rugers and Remingtons, and my brother has a couple of Brownings. Again, there is not enough difference in the three to argue about. I have owned Ruger that would out shoot Remingtons, and vice versa. Brand is a personal preference. Your "screw Ruger" comment just shows you immaturity and ignorance. If you want to brag on your Remington, that is fine, but I have killed nearly 100 deer with a Ruger 270. How many deer have you killed with your Rem 308?

Unless the poster of this thread just wants to buy a new gun, there is absolutely no valid reason for him to buy a 308 for an under 200 yard gun.

I reckon I should've realized that saying Screw any gun company, it's stepping on a landmine in these forums. However, I said the "screw Ruger" comment, just in the backing of my humble opinion, if you go back to the post, you'll see that, I didn't state the "screw Ruger" as a fact, just my opinion.

Yeah, with the shooting of the board, we were both shooting 150-grain Federal Powershoks, only difference was, of course, the cartridge, and my rifle performed more ideally for the purpose.

Yeah, those plywood deer can be tough to kill unless you are shooting a Remington 673 in 308. I bet a 150 gr 270 bullet out of a Ruger would have just bounced off.

I wasn't saying anything of the kind you said in your post, I am just stating a fact that my .308 expanded better than my dad's 7mm, and since the .270 is of a nearly identical diameter, off by .007 it would be a smaller bullet, and penetrate better, but not expand as well.

I see no reason for you to go resorting to rhetoric, the .270 is agood weapon,has killed lots of deer and varmits,and I think the thread poster should keep the rifle he has and then get something very different,like a varmit rifle, magnum, or shotgun, since he already has a not-so-cheap rifle that is worthy of use for the rest of his hunting career, a Browning A-Bolt, unless he has the money to upgrade to something like a Sako, Tikka, orKimber.

Josiah

As far as the 308 being a better brush gun it really depends more on the bullet you choose. With both shooting the same weight bullet they are pretty close to the same velocities. You can get a few heavier bullets with the 308, but they are still pretty fast. You could still deflect off a branch or something and depending on the bullet choice it could actually ruin the bullet or explode before reaching your game.

A true brush gun would be more along the lines of a 30-30 with a heavy solid bullet, or anything above 40 cal with a heavy slow moving bullet. Like a 45-70 or a slug gun.

At any rate it is ill advised to intentionally shoot through brush with any weapon. The term brush gun is not intended to mean that it will cut through brush. This is poor sportsmanship and not very smart. The term comes from areas with lots of cover where your shots will come close and fast. Hence large bore lever guns or pump action slug guns being considered brush guns. They handle and point well while performing very well at close distances.

I can only hope that you are at least learning a lot by as much as you get corrected here.

As far as my comments about the browning vrs ruger it is simply my opinion, but my opinion is that a browning A-bolt is twice the gun a run of the mill ruger bolt action is. If I were looking at new bolt actions to purchase the ruger guns would be at the bottom of the list. That new cheap remignton would be at the very bottom. I would get a break action rossy before that thing. Again, just my opinion.

Paul

1) The faster a bullet goes, the faster it expands, a bullet does not "Go so fast that it zips right through a deer."

2)There is no "brush gun"...That myth was debunked back in the '60s...
Use your scope to find openings in the brush, better yet, wait until you have a good clear shot of your target before you pull the trigger...

3) Plywood is plywood and deer are deer, shooting plywood shows you nothing about how a bullet reacts to bone, muscle, hide and blood.

4)The military is not allowed to use expanding bullets so trying to compare the bullets we hunt with and what NATO will allow is not a valid comparison....Frankly the Ithica pump shotgun loaded with buckshot was our soldiers preferred weapon in the jungles of Southeast Asia.

From what I am hearing they are pretty fond of them in Iraq as well. Exept 870's and mossbergs instead.

Paul