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Old 03-29-2005 | 02:46 PM
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Do you think it was right, years ago to let compound bows into the archery season? After all they were vastly different than the long or recurve bow.

Nobody is answering that, because they themselves use compounds and they'd be effectively be arguing themselves out of their own chosen weapons !
Ahh yes I do! Depends how you look at it. Some people called it evolution of the bow. Some people actually shoot compounds because they love technology and they get a charge out of it.
But not according to you huh? EVERYONE who chooses a compound does so because it's sooooooo easy compared to traditional. Being one who started out trad and still dabbles in trad I can honestly say your arrogant attitude gives trad hunters a black eye!
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Old 03-29-2005 | 02:49 PM
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Glad you asked. The way I understand it WI has the longest bow season in the U.S. running from sept 15th(<sat closest) to jan 3rd with 9 days of that time going to gun hunters. I see no reason we cant find room in their for a crossbow season. I also think to be fair for all , the seasons should rotate to give all weapon choices a chance during the rut except gun season. There is a reason the DNR has gun season when it does. If gun season were during prime rut it could have devastating results on the deer herd.
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Here in Illinois the gun season is and always has been during the first two ruts of the year. They don't always hit it right on the mark but it is always close enough to be considered "peek rut" Here the does go into estrus about the second week in november (right before thanksgiving) and again on about the second week of December. Thats also when the slug gun season is.
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Old 03-29-2005 | 02:54 PM
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Being one who started out trad and still dabbles in trad I can honestly say your arrogant attitude gives trad hunters a black eye!
Isn't it that same kind of arrogance that is behind the compound and trad hunters not wanting to alllow crossbows into "their" seasons? Now don't get me wrong. I have the same kind of elitist attitude when it comes to bowhunting and I will freely admit it B......U.......T where I draw the the line is letting my elitist attitude lead me to make decisions or lobby against decisions that would exclude other hunters from being able to choose what type of equipment to shoot. Sure a line has to be drawn but in my opinion the jump here is insignificant and it's that same arrogance that you referenced causing the resistance and the devision.
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Old 03-29-2005 | 02:54 PM
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Do you think it was right, years ago to let compound bows into the archery season? After all they were vastly different than the long or recurve bow. Far easier to use, longer range, could be held at full draw far longer than traditional bows. They had sights, a trigger release, were more compact than a long bow and you could hunt from more concealed places and so on.

Do you think that was a correct decision?

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Can you answer this question for me as a compound shooter and not a trad. shooter.

I would like to see how some people rationalize this.

It was ok back then to bring in something new and VERY different AND include it in the SAME season, but now it's completely out of the question...unless it has it's own season

And what are your feelings about the above statement as well.
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Old 03-29-2005 | 03:11 PM
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Anyone that is trys to say the crossbow and the compound are in line to make some money on the deal,or they would not be pushing it so hard.


I wish they would go back to the stick bow. There is allready to much put on how fast your bow is and how far you can shoot.It will only get worse if crossbows are in there to.

Good luck I hope you can make your money some outhere way than to push the crossbow.
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Old 03-29-2005 | 03:19 PM
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Good luck I hope you can make your money some outhere way than to push the crossbow.
Who are you talking to? What the hell are you talking about?

Just because I feel there is nothing wrong with crossbows allowed in the archery season dosen't mean I stand to make money on them.
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Old 03-29-2005 | 03:25 PM
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flat feet - you've never hunted with a recurve or you'd understand how much more difficult it is to draw on a deer with one of them as opposed to using a compound. Not unlike the difference between a crossbow and compound really. BTW - my blaze orange never spooked deer.

Why 1/8 to compounds and 1/8 to crossbows? How about we split it up equally?
Compound hunter numbers and succes vs trad of course. Compounders and crossbowers would kill more in 1/4 of the season than trad guys would in 3/4 of the season.

I'll still take that bet!! Make sure the Chevy has a full tank of gas!
I got a better bet than that. I'll take YOUR compound having never shot it and spank a crossbow shooter.

No you cant!! Period! Not you or anyone else can guarantee the same results in every state!!!!!!!!!
A gaurantee ? No - but what we can assess is that a crossbow in general archery season has never resulted in anything negative before. That trend will, in a ll likely hood, continue too.

The way I understand it WI has the longest bow season in the U.S. running from sept 15th
Arkansas has Oct 1st - Feb 15th - and we allow crossbows !!!!!!!!


It doesn't effect me or my hunt today but it could tomorrow. If there are seperate seasons and they introduce crossbow to a state that has never allowed them it can show them first hand if there will be problems. If they start out with a one month crossbow season and by the second year the crossbow season is producing twice the numbers of regular archery season then they have the problem pin pointed. By just throwing it in the general season theres no way of knowing who shot what with what weapon besides maybe a question box on a tag and relying on the honesty of everyone isn't good science.
Ohj geeeeeeeez, quit enough with the scaring little kids tactics. What you fear has NEVER come to pass before, why sould your state be THAT much different ? And honestly, compounds alread do the very thing you fear anyway if you'd just admit it !

Ahh yes I do! Depends how you look at it. Some people called it evolution of the bow. Some people actually shoot compounds because they love technology and they get a charge out of it.
But not according to you huh? EVERYONE who chooses a compound does so because it's sooooooo easy compared to traditional. Being one who started out trad and still dabbles in trad I can honestly say your arrogant attitude gives trad hunters a black eye!

Like I said, you want YOUR easy, you want YOU choice, you want YOUR technology and YOUR charge .......... but dammit if you'll let anyone else have theirs.

And that is what gripes me most about anti-crossbow people. Its do as I say, not as I do mentality. And thats also why I throw in the banning of compounds because secretly, a little part of me would LOVE to see the whining if that ever happened.


Anyone that is trys to say the crossbow and the compound are in line to make some money on the deal,or they would not be pushing it so hard.
uh ........... 100% wrong
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Old 03-29-2005 | 03:40 PM
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Original question:

Do you think it was right, years ago to let compound bows into the archery season? After all they were vastly different than the long or recurve bow.

Nobody is answering that, because they themselves use compounds and they'd be effectively be arguing themselves out of their own chosen weapons !

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Ahh yes I do! Depends how you look at it. Some people called it evolution of the bow. Some people actually shoot compounds because they love technology and they get a charge out of it.
But not according to you huh? EVERYONE who chooses a compound does so because it's sooooooo easy compared to traditional. Being one who started out trad and still dabbles in trad I can honestly say your arrogant attitude gives trad hunters a black eye!
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Like I said, you want YOUR easy, you want YOU choice, you want YOUR technology and YOUR charge .......... but dammit if you'll let anyone else have theirs.
I have yet to hear a responce to that question that dosen't come across sounding like that exactly. If they did, then they would not be able to reply to this statement. Which BTW no one has yet.

It was ok back then to bring in something new and VERY different AND include it in the SAME season, but now it's completely out of the question...unless it has it's own season
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Old 03-29-2005 | 03:42 PM
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I just wanted to be a part of the longest thread in HNI history. Don't mind me.
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Old 03-29-2005 | 03:45 PM
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Do you think it was right, years ago to let compound bows into the archery season? After all they were vastly different than the long or recurve bow. Far easier to use, longer range, could be held at full draw far longer than traditional bows. They had sights, a trigger release, were more compact than a long bow and you could hunt from more concealed places and so on.

Do you think that was a correct decision?
Good question that deserves an answer. First we have to admit at the time archery and archery seasons were very different back when compounds came onto the scene. They have been around a long time in comparison to the surge in archery participation. In fact, compounds pre-date the surge in archery popularity by a good margin. But the real reason there was no problem back then, at the time a compound had few of the advantages over traditional equipment they have today. In fact, states actual legal definition of archery and allowable equipment allowed the compound to be used. Draw weight has always been a legal limitation to archery equipment, manually drawn is the other main definer. Those were and remain the same for traditional and compound bows. In fact, back then, releases were not what they are today so almost all compound guys shot fingers.

To answer the question, "Do you think that was the correct decision?" I'd have to say yes. The reason I say yes is regardless of all the technical advancements to the compound bow allowing them to be easier to shoot, more forgiving, and greater range due to improved energy transmission .. they are shot with the same skills and techniques that traditional shooters use. You must grip the bow in a relaxed grasp, draw that arrow back over the rest to a consistent anchor point, focus on your target or sites, both sighting methods work for all bows ... and then relax the fingers or release the arrow from the release and hold your form till arrow impacts target. The major differences are in the arrow's energy, and muscle strength necessary to hold full draw.

I would like to see how some people rationalize this.

It was ok back then to bring in something new and VERY different AND include it in the SAME season, but now it's completely out of the question...unless it has it's own season
As I said before .. it didn't start out that different. The compound wasn't the magic answer back then, in fact many of the early ones were harder to shoot then traditional ... with their constant timing problems, their increased noise .. they were downright dogs to shoot. They sure have come a long way since then.

Which leads us to today. Do we expand the definition of archery to include crossbows? I don't want to, but what do I know. What that instantly opens the door for is components for compounds that will hold the bow at full draw, and even more radical products that shatter that first simple definition or archery which 47 states still use. A bow which has a minimum draw weight that must be manually drawn and held. It's why compounds were allowed .. and it is why I feel crossbows should be considered seperate.

That is just MY opinion.
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