If crossbows are so junk and they cant shoot as far as a compound THEN plz tell me what there is to gain?

More hunters hunting is not all that great of a deal. Allready you have to have privet land or try to find an out of the way place to hunt.With more hunters it will only get worse.

Like I said they ones that push the crossbow have SOME THING TO GAIN,90% of the time it will be money not to help hunting as a hole.

my question is did monty pothon use a crossbow?? for he is the true living legend and god

I’m overwhelmed! It’s too bad I have school.

Compare recurves and longbows with compound bows.

I’m still interested on your thoughts regarding the Concept99.

Crossbows get in the region of 10-12” groups at 100 yards. Did you know the majority of people are off 30% on yardage? Was he using a range finder?

There is nothing to fear, but your own ignorance.

Why is the .50 caliber better? I'm just curious.

Truth- Compound bows shot alongside with crossbows in the hands of both skilled individuals will shoot groups of arrows at sensible hunting ranges virtually identically. When put side by side those arrow groups to an individual shooting a recurve or longbow shooting wood arrows and no sights, the efficient, realistic hunting range is more than halved.

Truth- By their very mechanical nature, compound bows are more strongly related to crossbows than to the alleged real bows such as the familiar recurve or longbow.

Truth- Compound bows accessorized with high-tech sights, rests, stabilizers, silencers, carbon arrows, and mechanically triggered releases are more similar to crossbows than to the alleged real bows such as the ordinary recurve or longbow which don’t have any of the abovementioned accessories.

Truth- Compound bows are reasonably quieter than crossbows.

Truth- Compound Bows have no practical disadvantages as put side by side to crossbows.

Lie- The benefit of having a pre-cocked bow as oppose to having to draw a bow in the presence of game presents a huge advantage. In truth, with today's 80% and higher let off rates, a bow hunter hunting with a compound bow could possibly draw their bow and hold their bow at least a full minute before the anticipated target would present itself with a killing shot. Anyone disproving this truth is lying to themselves since they know it’s the truth.

I think compounds are junk - what are they to gain for you ? You choose a compound because you want to shoot it. I shoot a recurve because I want to shoot it. Some guys shoot crossbows because they want to. Simple as that.

hmmmmmmmm, yes, yes, I agree. Ban compounds and there'd be LOTS less people in archery season, wouldn't there ?

So we need LESS hunters ? Thats is what you're saying, isn't it ?

And LIke I said, Silentassassin, myself, the others ........... we have nothing to gain and we've lost nothing because they're legal in our states archery season. Its called firsthand, realtime KNOWLEDGE of living in a state that has crossbows legal. Those who are syaing it isn't a big deal ? We know it isn't a big deal because its factual and we live it every fall. It aint no big deal - and it wouldn't be in your state either

There appear to be a few on here who need to dig a little deeper into the technology of some of the TOP crossbows. I guarantee by that stupid remark you haven't! You take my compound and I'll take the 10pt crossbow I shot. Wanna put your house title on the line? I would!

Ahhh yes , the ol' "never come to pass before"! And we're basing this on SO MUCH research! Three states out of fifty and I wouldn't even count one of them.
How long is your gun season?? Our is NINE days! Do you think it might make a difference in the impact for a state who only has nine days vs a state that has a month for gun hunters? There are so many variables to consider that I dont have time to list them right now. Please get off the "it worked in three states it will work everywhere" kick? It lacks substance!

You obviously haven't been paying attention!!! I'm all for seperate seasons so EVERYONE can get their charge!! Did you get that this time?

MA Jay,

That was a great response and I quoted the above because I knew if someone answered my questions it would boil down to "what is a bow" and what is "archery"

I must and so should everybody, use the dictonary as the final answer as to what a "bow" is. It is very clear and specific. What is stated cannot be disputed "a flexible curved strip of material (wood) with a cord connecting the ends for shooting arrows" and the definition of archery is as follows, "the pratice or art of shooting a bow and arrow" By this definition it would include a crossbow as a "bow" and it's use as "archery" That's not me saying that it's the dictionary. If people want to start changing definitions so be it, I will stick to the facts.

Now if the states decide that crossbows are legal to hunt with, in my opinion there should be no question as to what season they should be in and thats the archery season. And I still see no reason how they would be a detriment to the sport of archery.

Buckmaster9
1st off most people now days do use a range finder with a crossbow you will surly have the time.

2nd off a 10 to 12 in goup at 100 yards is about 4 tims the avrage compoud shooters range.

3rd you can do away with the compound. I will gladly shoot my stick bow!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4th compounds did change bow hunting and crossbows will only make is worse.

5th if you beleave this i am turly sorry
Lie- The benefit of having a pre-cocked bow as oppose to having to draw a bow in the presence of game presents a huge advantage. In truth, with today's 80% and higher let off rates, a bow hunter hunting with a compound bow could possibly draw their bow and hold their bow at least a full minute before the anticipated target would present itself with a killing shot. Anyone disproving this truth is lying to themselves since they know it’s the truth.


datamax
I think you are full of it! If you had not any thing to gain you would not shove it down the throt for the rest of the bowhunters.

Let me see the only reasion you want the legal is so some one out there may have a coise[BULL}

Peopel do not push things for no reasion tell us all the real reasion you are pushing it and maby you may get more suport.

I'd put my house title on the line that says Randy Ulmer can beat any crossbow shooter of your choice, and Larry Yen likely could out to a good range

about 3 total weeks I think right through the middle of the rut.

So how about this - we've given you all the stats we can on how crossbows have NOT affected archery season. Since your hell bent on believing it MIGHT ......... why ? Just a weird theory, someonthing the P&Y Club does subliminally to their constituants ......... something like that ? Or do you have ANYTHING to base it on other than wives tales, myths and fears ??

I'm waiting - have been for close to 50 pages now ! Because if there are no good reason NOT to allow them ............ why aren't they allowed ? C'mon, surely we're reasonable enough human beings to realize that - right ?


I can overFont you you know

Why a seperate season at all though ? Geeeeez, its been already shown, proven, factual that crossbows in archery season have minimal effects and certainly doesn't lead to cut backs in archery season or bag limits. nd Lord knows we need more hunters, especially bowhunters.

So you MUST have something factual to want to keep them out - right ? Something ...... anything ?

Anything at all that shows how they'd be a negative impact ?

Anything other than a fear, an unfounded hunch backed by wives tales and PBS rhetoric ?


Absolutely, 100% false with allt he data that AR,OH and GA have.

Extra archery hunters are better IMHO and that is the only matter we should debate. I believe in a free society people should be able to use what they want as long as the bottom line is the same. Thirty years of observed facts in Ohio has verified that crossbows and compound bows have:

[ul][*] similar rates of harvest

a comparable safety record

identical effective range and sensible accuracy

a raise in the amount of people hunting during archery season

easier to use by women and children[*] [*]
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ELKINMTCWB, no one would ever take a shot like that. Most experts agree that forty yards are max for hunting bows. Besides, how could you adjust your scope accordingly? If you do guess it’s a complete miss.

Are you serious ? Really ? If so, its no wonder you are paranoid that the world will end and the sky will fall if another state allows crossbows.

I shoot (currently) a Hoyt Gamemaster recurve and work for a telecom company in Arkansas. If that correlates to me "gaining" something .............. dude you need to see a therapist