datamax
compounds did not change bowhunting. Let me gess there is no more deer killed with bows now then befor stick bows. I do not think you are right at all there.the compound did make a big change.


datamax plz tell us the real reasion,you are pussing this.

buckmaster9
asking crossbows have been legal in ohio for 30 years?

If so I would like to know the nifrance in numbers on crossbows to compounds and stick if you know them.

Just so you know my uncle is a pice of crap!!! in his 15 yers bow hunting he mite get 1 deer every 2 years. Two years ago he changed to a crossbow. This year he killed 11 deer. I know his hunting skills did not improve. From my point of veiw the cross bow is in no way like a compound or he would only have killed 1 deer this year.

Compounds were marketed to people who didn't want to learn how to master the finger release, train for months to hold a man's weight bow and align your string without a peep. Your point is? In states where crossbows are not usually accessible, compounds are the easiest ticket to archery season.

You can do this with a compound.

This isn’t true.

Why do this?

It hasn’t changed anything; you still have your stick bow.

If you cannot hold a bow for at least a minute it isn’t for you. I can hold the Concept99 forever.

Since 1976.

Go here.

No one has even tried to prove that a crossbow has a greater range, greater rate of fire, greater accuracy or greater predicted harvest rate than a compound bow.

Before the beginning of the compound, very few archers would have taken shots beyond 15 perhaps 20 yards.

Now with the compound, 40, 50 and 60 yard shots are not that unusual.

O.K. I've read every post and feel the need to jump in. Crossbows are "on average" not as accurate as compounds and I would have no problem if they were allowed during archery season. (And yes, I have shot the Ten Point, it's a great crossbow, but not nearly as accurate as a compound.) Man this thread is long!

From the Texas Parks and Wildlife Outdoor Annual:

"Longbows, compound bows, or recurved bows:
- must have a 40 pound minimum draw at the time of hunting, when used to hunt turkey and all game anumals other than squirrel.
- that are equipped with a device that allows the bow to be locked at full or partial draw are lawful during any season when lawful archery equipment may be used.

Crossbow
Any person may use a crossbow to hunt game animals or game birds (except migratory game birds) during a general open season or Eastern spring turkey season. Telescopic sights are lawful.
ONLY a person with an upper-limb disability may use a crossbow to hunt deer and turkey during the Archery Only Open Season, provided the person, while hunting, has in their immediate possession a physician's statement certifiying the extent of the disability."

Seems like anyone wanting to hunt with a crossbow, at least in Texas, is free to do so. By the way, archery season here runs roughly from the first of October to the end of October while the general season, which is open to crossbow hunters, is from roughly the first of November to the first of January with a lot of counties having about a 2 week extended season for does and spikes. Seems plenty sensible and fair. By the way, those 2 fine young hunters could have taken those deer just as easily with a rifle as they did with a crossbow but they couldn't with a recurve OR crossbow.

exactly there is no benfit so why not allow them.


At least your honest. You don't want them in because you are greedy. Like I have said continually, when your hunting rights start being taken away I want you to stop and think back about his conversation and remember that we tried to tell you how there was strength in numbers and the more hunters involved in the sprt the better off we would be.

well I guess I am in the 10% because I certainly don't have anything to gain except more in hunters in the sport I love to help vote people in that will look out for my hunting interests.

I don't think so considering I live in an area that is a couple hundred sqaure miles that only has 4 days of gun season per year.

I will if you will get off of the "it's be an overwhelming success everywhere they have tried it so it couldn't possibly work here" kick

You have a crossbow that kills deer consistently at 100+ yards and data is the one that's full of it[&:][8D]

Let me say it again real slow. Because I have witnessed the non-impact and I want everyone to be able to enjoy the bowseason and I want as many bowhunters as possible on my side at election time.

Data,
How do you know it hasn't happened in those states. I'd like to see your statistics on the percentage of "slob" hunters in each weapon category. You can't show me these stats because they don't exist. However, I guarantee that there is a greater number of lost deer per hunter for those using crossbows than those using compounds.

I'm not arguing that deer are not lost by those using compounds - I do however believe that a higher ratio of deer lost per hunter exists among crossbow users. Of course, I am basing this on info that you yourself provided about the effectiveness of the crossbow versus compounds.

I think making another season for crossbows is yet another bad idea. Maybe, I should invent another weapon and we can make a season for that. It's just more stress on our Conservation officers who are already spread too thin.

OK well show me the stats to back it up. I have both lived in area where they are legal and I don't have any reason to believe that.

you did NOT just say that with a straight face did you ? OMG !!!!!!!!! I really .... don't know how to respond to that. Its like saying the automobile didn't change travel that much !

The real reason is I see a highly flawed argument against crossbows and I love to debate highly flawed arguments.


OMG - say it IS NOT TRUE !! Texas deer herds will be slaughtered, there'll be so many people using them they'll cut the seasons - it will obviously RUIN deer hunting there in archery season !

What ? You mean its been like that for years ? Why ......... and no negative effects ?

What say you anti-crossbow zealots to Texas ??

you are a braver soul than I !


Awe, geeeeez man, I LIVE here - I think I know how crossbows impact my state ! Most slob hunters I run across are compounders - by far.

Okay, explain that logic. I'll sit back on this one because your conclusion baffles me.

I don't have stats and will admit that.

I am basing it on the fact that the xbow has been deemed by you, data and others as a less effective weapon than the compound yet many people out there believe it to be much more effective. This overestimation will lead to greater numbers of lost deer.

You claim that the xbow is less effective than a compound, yet there seem to be a majority who believe the xbow is infact more effective.

If you are correct in your claim that the xbow is less effective (which I don't doubt you are), these people that think it is more effective are going to pick one up under these false assumptions and end up taking shots at deer from distances beyond the xbow's effective range. Result: wounded deer.