So if shot placement is "everything" then the rest of us are just wasting our time with calibers, bullet construction, and bullet weight? I think I'll just put a tactical scope on top of my .22 long rifle and save myself some money.

Bigbulls is full of bulls. Don't know whar you hunt, but you'd be laughed outta camp with thet load 'round here. Specially if thet 140 is a Hornady. Seen thet same bullet splatter god awful bad on elk an' deer too, and the hunter always says, "Gee, it never did thet before". Well, I'm gettin' bored of this lil' debate. Same thing all the time. Puny fellers toutin' puny bullets an' spoutin' off based on their itty bitty backgrounds killin' a handful of elk. Not enuff sense to come in outta the rain, let alone listen to reason.

BJ

"puny fellows toutin' puny bullets spoutin' 'bout itty bitty killin' backgrounds. bj you are so full of yourself your eyes are brown. if you go back and read what everyone else has said other than myself then you could see the big picture other than the inside of your eyelids. SHOT PLACEMENT IS EVERYTHING, no matter what you use, if you AIN'T GOT THE SHOT THEN DON'T TAKE IT, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DOG POOP.{}:d]

i will put my PUNY '06 up against you and yours any say of the week and twice on sunday. like i said before "you should check my background before you condem me".

YOU AIN'T DA ONLY ONE WHO HAS KILLED AN ELK.



IF IT IS TO BE......
IT IS UP TO ME......

Yeah I figured that would get you going again. R_B_H, come on get real. BJ, You could laugh at me all you want, but when I'm hanging my elk that I shot with a .270 I'll be the one laughing all the way to the game processor. And no I don't use a Hornady I use failsafes or bear claws. Anyway everyone has there own preferance as to what to use on what animal and if it works and works well then good for them, my .270 works well for me and my grandfather before me and alot of other elk hunters out there.

Who the heck stirred this kettle up again, can't I go out in the woods hunting for a while without you little children bickering, DART, your takeing it personal by not being factual, as I said keep it above the waste, The Beav did exactly what he wanted to do and rattled your cage. He has done it to more than one on here and he kinda test the newbies ( not necessarily greenhorns) on the board to rattle there cage, and that he does. The others who are acustom to his style just read his repleies and watch him wiggle his way out, but if you can read through a lot of his bull$hit, their is a good resume that he has that may be useful to a lot of us. I must admit that he packs the diplomacy of that of a 44 magnum, but if you can get by the B.S. and take it for what its worth, one may learn something from this person. Just have fun with it, its not worth gettin worked up for. Good luck in hunting this year and if it works good for you, than don't change a thing, later Bobby

P.S. Beav, I can't keep bailing you out, now you go to your room till you can play with the others.

Ain't nuthin' wrong with a 270, loaded with the proper bullets. Them Failsafes an' Bearclaws are bout the onliest reason you git away with the 140 grainer. That, an' maybeso you can shoot a lil'. You gotta realize thet most fellers comin' out to hunt elk onct a year never practice shootin', an' when they do shoot their rifles, its off a bench. Tellin' 'em to "place their shot" is ridiculous cause they're usually breathin' that they couldn't hit a movin' targit if they were usin' a bench. Then, there's the magnum factor. Mos' fellers what use 'em cain't shoot 'em. What I tell fellers on these boards is use a cartridge of moderation ('06 class), with a big, heavy bullet. My personal favorite cartridge fer elk is the 338'06, but my 30'06 does good enuff with 180s an' I ain't got the money to buy everthin' thet comes along. Mags ain't needed, skills are. Not jus' shootin' but stalkin' too. If fellers did as much shootin' an' learnin' how to stalk, they wouldn't feel like they need any 500 yard cannon to kill elk. "Placin' shots" ain't what mos' fellers git a chance at mos' the time. Git good with yer rifle from real huntin' positions an' aim fer the shoulders. Use a bullet thet will punch right thru bustin up his wheels as it goes. Ain't no more to be said.

BJ

I know a guy that can bust his arse with some Buckshot! He also hunts elephants and tigers and such with it.

Good Luck. Capt Brad.

"R_B_H, come on get real."

This debate is getting a little old but for the record shot placement is important but its NOT everything. Of course if you hit the heart the animal will drop everytime but anybody that claims they can hit the heart on every shot is full of sh@#! It doesn't get any more real than that.

I'll give you that you have to hit a vital area you can't just shoot from your hip. But you have to have a bullet that can withstand hitting the bone structure in the animal you're shooting at. A solid bullet will go through the shoulder blade and have enough weight retention to keep going through the vitals. A weak or light will break apart and only make a big bull three-legged and coyote food cause you'll never find him. Shoot what you want but get informed on what you got in your rifle.

I say that shot placement is everything cause just like beaver jack said, there are too many people out there toating cannons that can't hit the broad side of a barn much less an elk. No matter what you use you have to be able to hit what you are aiming at. If more people used a gun that they could manage w/o being scared of it we would have more dead animals instead of wounded ones. I took a mulie doe this year that had been shot through her back leg and had her bone shatterd. She recoverd just fine but I hate to think of the pain she had to live with. I also absolutly agree that more people need to practice hunting more. All of my elk have been less than 100 yards except one at 130. Any way you're right, that's enough on this one.

Edited by - bigbulls on 11/18/2002 14:12:22

My group filled 5 of 6 tags (best ever) the first elk rifle season here in colorado and weve been sending meat to various relatives and guess what? Got a young lad out in Washington chopping at the bit to go with us next fall. He's 18, this was his first year hunting and he got his first deer and he is stoked about "moving up" to elk hunting. His weapon? 270 Winchester. Since its all been covered, I'll just send him here for the "good news." Since he is new to hunting and doesn't consider himself a expert military makrksman or SWAT sniper we'll see what he comes up with for "bullet weight for elk!"