Yeah I figured that would get you going again. R_B_H, come on get real. BJ, You could laugh at me all you want, but when I'm hanging my elk that I shot with a .270 I'll be the one laughing all the way to the game processor. And no I don't use a Hornady I use failsafes or bear claws. Anyway everyone has there own preferance as to what to use on what animal and if it works and works well then good for them, my .270 works well for me and my grandfather before me and alot of other elk hunters out there.