You think he would come here and back up what you said?

It's a hard to take all of it serious when you've seen people say I know a guy that knowa guy who's brother was told......


Or I know a guy that has a picture and I'll try and post it and they never do.

I thought that the release of coyotes into NY was just common knowledge. I did not know that there was that many people that still think there aren't any here. I kill about 30 a year either trapping or hunting with distress calls.

Maybe I am miss understanding you, but do you really think there are none here or do you just not believe that the DEC introduced any to the area?

I will certainly contact my brother and see if his professor will go on record about this. I know my brother would but can't speak for his professor. They do alot of animal reintroduction projects at Fingerlake community college. My brother has gone to that school for 2 years and has been involved with some of them himself. Most are not so controversial though - like otter and marten introductions in the finger lakes region of NY.

If you want proof of Coyote's in the area I have a 60 pound female that I shot last year and had a full body mount done. Beautiful looking animals, unless they cross breed with dogs, then they look blotchy and mangey.

The only problem that I have noticed with coyotes is that they really put a dent in the fox population. I have found grey fox where I hunt chewed up and just left there. I coyote will kill a fox just for the hell of it I guess it is a territorial thing.

I set fox traps with a few scattered foot hold trapps around the initial set because alot of times I will end up with a coyote too. The coyotes find a trapped fox easy prey and will usually take a good chunck out of the back or neck area of the fox.

I know there are coyotes here the dEC has never come out and said they released them.

You been trapping all these years you ever come across a Cougar kill?

I have found alot of deer kills but its hard to say what did the killing. They coyotes usually make short work of any kills in my area. They are usually pretty chewed up by time I find them.

Unfortunately I have alot of "hunters" in my area that will shoot a deer then see what it is and leave it lay if it is not big enough. I found one of these opening day of shot gun season this year and I went back to the same spot a few days later with the intention of setting up for coyotes. The whole deer was gone. There was nothing but hair and a leg left.

I have seen black bear in Delevan, Machias, and Humphrey NY - none of these locations have an open bear season though. I know black bear are fully capable of killing a deer but I don't think it is all that common. I have alot of Black Bear around my hunting cabin in St.Marys PA and they cause more irritation than anything. They break into my shed to get at dog food and they steal all my bird feeders for the sunflower seeds. I ran out and fired a shotgun in the air one night to chase a good sized black bear off and then next morning there were muddy bear prints all over my deck and screen door.

Bears don't make me that nervous when I see them because more often than not when they notice you they get outa there in a hurry. Coyote's on the other hand can be pretty bold. I called in three of them one evning but they would not come out of the wood line to get a shot off. I started getting dark so I packed up and strated walking out. Evertime I turned around I could see a couple pairs of eyes with my flash light following me back to the car. That make you wonder if they are just currious or if they were set on getting dinner no matter what.

You have got to figure that when you call in a coyote they think they are getting a free meal and they can't be that happy when they don't find one.

To answer your question CharlieP - I don't know if I ever saw a cougar kill. I have a neighbor that claims to have found very large cat tracks in the creek bed behind his home and then I have the info that other people have told me some of them credible and others Not so much.

What gets me is the people that mistake a golden retriever for a cougar. My uncle killed a cougar with a bow in ID and got a full body mount done. I will post a picture of that as soon as possible. The size of these animals make it a bit hard to mistake one for a dog.

Talk to ya later.

Cougars bury there kill cover it with leaves sticks etc.

Off topic but could you tell me any good calls for Coyote nobody is thinning them out where I hunt and they need to be.

I was bow hunting off the ground in a thicket this year (forgot my safety belt) started using a fawn bleat and had a coyote come in from behind to about 20 yards. Made me a little nervous.

Sounds like your making alot of new friends there Turkeyhunter1. Maybe when you get to PA you'll get lucky and get a shot at one, if not you can always thin out that coyote herd you got down there.

CharlieP -

I have used just about every call there is for Coyote and always end up using the old stand by. Cottontail in distress. I have used a grey fox pup distress call with pretty good luck too.

If there aren't many people hunting them in your area you should do pretty good. They shouldn't be wise to a call yet.

I use a rodent squeaker to get them in that few extra yard to get a shot off. If you get set up and call for about a half hour 45 minute and nothing shows up change locations. If they are there they'll be in with in that amount of time.

One thing to remember though. Keep your back covered. A coyote will circle your location and try to wind you and alot of times you wont even know they are there untill they are pretty close.

Also, if you have grey fox in the area your in for an exciting time. I have had those agressive little buggers tackle the speaker of my electronic caller 20 feet from me. I couldn't shoot cause I didn't want to hit the speaker.

Me and my brother will usually go out calling together. He brings a 12 gage with #2 or 0 shot and I will bring my .243 Winchester Savage Model 11 with 6 x 18 power bushnell scope. A coyote will hang up in a field if they don't think something is right and I can reach out and touch em with the .243

Hope you have as much luck as I have with hunting these critters. Its a good supplement durring the months following deer season.

no one is debating the fact that theres a TON of coyotes around, they populate every state in the union.

what is up for debate is that ANY state or federal wildlife agency would release large PREDATORS into an ecosystem.

small furbearers dont count.

the only time this has happened is with wolves, and not in any of the eastern states.

and did you see the hoopla surrounding that?

coyotes are everywhere, i've taken 2 with the bow and several with firearms. BUT , show me one documentation of a STATE OR FEDERAL RELEASE . bet you can't.

and please, don't give me the "black ops", conspiracy theories...

shoot, i have a customer in my bar that has flown for the air force for 20 years. talk always gets around to aliens and area 51. he tells them, "well, i've seen things that would scare you. but if i told you, well, you know what i'd have to do".. and guess what? 9 out of 10 people see his grin and sneaky wink, but that ONE person who misses it, well,

THAT turns into 50 different people saying " OH YEAH? I know a guy in the military that PLAYED CHESS with aliens!! the government just won't admit it!!"

see how rumous, lies and conjecture work to solidify URBAN LEGENDS?

there are no wild cougars in NY. and all these people who see "cougar kittens", one word

BOBCAT

lets see some documentation. prove me wrong and i'll eat crow. just make sure it's fresh, please.

man can you tell it's the off season?


moose

I stated in an earlier post that I will be contacting my brother's professor and my brother to go on record as being part of a reintroductijon program that did involve coyotes.


One thing I don't understand is that the DEC had to have know about the existing coyote population and why they would think introducing more coyotes would be any more help with the deer population.

http://www.viewsfromthetop.com/forum...ead.php?t=1548

This is a site I visited concerning coyotes in NY. There is some interesting info there.

Another thing I wanted to mention is the DECs efforts to introduce wolves to the Adirondacks. So that just raises more questions - this is well documented and info can be found by doing a simple search for wolved and adirondack on google.

This is a picture that i got from the taxadermist that does work for me. It is of a coyote that looks more like a wolf to me but then eastern coyotes are supposed to be part wolf and they are definately biger than a western coyote. This one is extreamly large though. 115 lbs.