I don't need sarcasm from wanna be hunters like Moose 1915, I am just trying to get some more info on the subject.
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People like that make me a little disappointed to be associated with them in anyway.

The talk in Springville, NY and the couple of surrounding towns has increased significantly this past year about the release of these animals to the area.

As for the stocking of coyotes - that is fact. A very close friend of mine and a college professor that I know from Fingerlakes Community College in the Environmental Science Program was involved in the release program. There were not many pairs released because they expected a quick increase in population but not as quick as what actually occured. I think that they underestimated the numbers of resident animals already in the area and that was part of the problem.

But hey it did open up a really exciting hunting opportunity. Especially if you go out at night and use distress calls with red lights. Talk about an erie feeling when you don't notice one of these sly animals until it is about 15 - 20 yard from you and all you can see then is a pair of beedy little eye staring right at you rying to decide if you a dinner or not.
I have called during the day too mut you better be in a wide open area with a good acurate rifle if you are going to get a coyote in the daytime unless caught ooff gaurd.

Yea I can't really see the reasoning for releasing Mountain lions in WNY, maybe the Adirondaks but even that may be a stretch. It is just the amount of plublicity that the subject has gotten in the last year the increases my curiosity. There was even a segment on a local radio station about it that I heard personally. I also heard that from a local taxidermist that there had been pairs of the cats released but he was unsure as the exact number of pairs and he said that the pairs were widely dispersed.

One thing I do know is that if I were to run across one in the woods I would be sure to get proof of its existence. I almost always have a disposable camera with me when in the woods.


That is all I have to say and hope that some intelligent conversation can be made on the subject.




I encourage anyone who has not tried predator calling to give it a shot. You will be suprised at how quickly a hungy coyote will respond to a rabit distress or fawn in distress call. I have even had them try to stalk in on me when spring turkey hunting. I had one get within 10 yards of my turkey decoy last spring before it realized something wasn't right and beat feet back into the woods. (Season ends in March otherwise that dogs would have been added to the fur shed)

Good hearing from you Ghostfarm, visit my site www.Trackincats.com lots to read there, go to the forums, under thread The Hunted, I have some nice pictures of coyotes.

Register in and start talking..........

jhoffman.........Don't let these guys bug ya they have nothing better to do, and Don't know what they are talking about!!

The day will come when they see one of these cats, and I HOPE NO ONE BELIEVES THEM!

I have seen one, and so have a few hundred people here in new York also talk to the Penn. folks!

They ARE HERE!

I believe this will be the year that many people will see them, they have populated!

Just hope every one knows what to do if encountered, because "sarcasm"
won't back them off LOL!!

www.Trackincats.com

When I here it from a RELIABLE source I will belive it. DEC, game commission, Federal Wildlife agency, University study, respected journalist etc. Why is it that NONE of the respected and reliable sources back up these claims? Until they do, as far as I'm concerned it's all unsubstantiated bunk!

Oh, I forgot, they won't back up the claims because they are all in cahoots and want to keep it a secret! Oh good grief...

well, i was just funnin with you, but you can kiss my wanna be ass, if thats the tone your gonna take.
i spend more time in the woods than 99% of the hunting population, so don't lecture me about wanna be hunters....
the problem with you cougar psychos is that you get so flustered, so bent outta shape, so irrational, you don't get taken seriously.

you remind me of the UFO abduction people. everyones out to get you, because no one believes you. get a grip.

BTW, welcome to the board. Hell of a 2nd post, insulting a person who was just trying to lighten the mood during cabin fever days... if you bothered to read this post from the start, you'd see it was a bunch of GOOD NATURED back and forth between the "belivers" and non believers...

as far as being associated with guys like me, dont worry. you're not.

YOU'RE a wanna -be -no talent -classless tool. hopefully this little rant you've incited from me will get this stupid thread locked, and me barred.

good . i needed to get some arrows built anyway, it'll free up my time.

lions , tigers, cougars, OH MY.

sincerely,
moose

NO NO NO NO NO

they are not here. sorry. wheres the proof? 2 years and NOT A SHRED

All these Cougars and not one kill site. How many deer does a Cougar have to kill a month to stay alive?

Jim, How about getting your college professer friend to go on the record about these what heppened with the Coyotes? I hear this all the tinme and if can be proven I say we get a class action law suit started, rleasing potentially dangerous animals into an ecosystem with out te publics knowledge will create a fire storm

I find it ammusing that people think that every memeber of the DEC knows that they are releasing coyotes and Cougars in NYS and the secret remains a secret.

Charlie P,
You and a lot of other people find it amusing. If the "cougar guys" realized how many people were laughing at them that might back off a bit.

If you listen to some of these guys we have large resident population of Cougars, then i go to one of the sites and the only recorded sighting in NY happened about 20 years ago and it was a pet.

I am not saying one way or another whether or not I belive that there are cougars in WNY. I am saying that there is a hell of alot of talk on the subject in my area and not from people that would have any reason to make things up.

As for reading the whole post I did read it from the begining and say the back and forth that was going on. I look at it this way:

People are trying to legit info on the subject and the people who want to put in thier two sense and don't add any real info arent helping anyone determine the truth they just agravate the people that want info.


I have hunted, trapped, and fished since I was old enough to walk into the woods with my father that was about 25 years ago. I have seen many things in the woods that people wouldn't belive and I don't think that a cougar in WNY is out of the question but it hasn't been proven and that is what I am tryin to establish. Proof.

Last summer I found a ground nest of a hawk and did a little research and took pictures and I founf that it was a Great Harrier or Marsh hawk and was told that they do not live around here. Well, I guess I proved that wrong. There was a nest of 5 eggs two of which survived.


So anyoneone who wants to contribute feel welcome if you just want to be sacastic then that is your poragative but it is not helpig the situation at all.