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Old 02-21-2005 | 09:55 AM
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That photo was on alot a couple years ago.

from www.snopes.com

Claim: Photograph shows a 115-pound coyote killed in New York.

Status: Real photograph; inaccurate description.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2004]

BIG COYOTE New York State Record

WOW! How many deer do you figure this guy took down?

N.Y.S. D.E.C. game commission officer Bob Doe confirmed that this was indeed a new New York state record coyote. Its official weight was 115 pounds, it is a very large male and was shot during the regular deer season just out side the town of Hilton. It has been spotted on several different occasions chasing deer & livestock, dogs, and cats.




Origins: Like many Internet-circulated photos of unusually large animals, this item is a real picture accompanied by somewhat garbled details.

According to officials with New York's Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC), the canine pictured above is not a coyote but a male wolf-dog hybrid, it was shot and killed in Pennsylvania (not New York), and it weighed somewhere between 102 and 105 pounds.

The animal's neutered state indicates that it was probably being kept as a pet but escaped or was released by its owner. Wolf-dog hybrids are illegal to possess as pets in New York state.

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Old 02-21-2005 | 09:57 AM
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I guess it is a NY State record. Taken in Hilton NY somewhere around Rochester.
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Old 02-21-2005 | 10:05 AM
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Where did you get the detail about this.


How could the DEC confirm it as a NY State record if it was shot in PA. Also, according to everything I have read the coyote population in NY and many other eastern states is primarily partially wolf.

I know the one I took and had mounted a couple of years ago was a 60 pound dog and that was a big one. I couldn't imagin one at 115 lbs.
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Old 02-21-2005 | 10:12 AM
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Because it wasn't really shot in Pa. It's sorta like the photo with the mountaim lion following the deer it ended up with about 20 different stories about it origin.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/coyote.asp

click on the link this site researches all the urban legands.
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Old 02-21-2005 | 11:45 AM
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ORIGINAL: jhoffman

I guess it is a NY State record. Taken in Hilton NY somewhere around Rochester.
it's not a NY state record. re-read the post. it is a DOMESTIC wolf-malamute hybrid. taken in PA. not a coyote.
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Old 02-21-2005 | 12:07 PM
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"The wolf that wasn’t
A few months ago there was a photo making the rounds on the Internet showing a huge 115-pound wolf-like animal lying dead next to a deer, with the caption saying, "This coyote is a New York State record and it was shot near you." The sender claimed verification from a DEC conservation officer named Robert Doe.

I got three of these photos sent to me, two by readers asking, "Can this be so?" The answer is no, it isn’t so; however, one outdoor writer from a newspaper in western New York with about the same circulation as the Press-Republican took the bait and without confirmation ran the photo and an accompanying article on the record coyote.

In the current newsletter of the New York State Outdoor Writers Association, another outdoor writer from that area, Gary Barton, did do some investigating, and what he found upset him very much. He writes, "The problem is that when an outdoor writer fails to verify information and writes several falsehoods into an article, it not only ruins that writer’s credibility, but makes readers wary about the rest of us."

As it turned out, according to Barton, there really is a CO named Bob Doe, but he never reviewed the photo nor commented on its authenticity. Barton did some additional investigating and found the "coyote" was actually a "neutered male dog/wolf/coyote of some sort." That animal was shot in Halstead Township, Pennsylvania."

I was just going on info that was with the photo and it was an actual newspaper article that it was in. Not sure what paper being that the article was cut out and pinned to an information board in a public place. - I did a little more research and found the following info.
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Old 02-21-2005 | 12:41 PM
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Here is a web site I think everyone interested in the topic of Mountain Lions in NY should check out.

http://www.easterncougarnet.org/northeast.html

you should be able to just copy and paste it to your browser address bar.
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Old 02-21-2005 | 03:08 PM
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After reading the posts in this forum I would like to clear up a few things that it seems people on both sides of the issue have wrong.

Yes the DEC along with SUNY ESF coupled with a couple of other organizations including NYS Department of Fish and Wildlife did release Coyotes in various areas thoughout the state.

Here is the catch though. Coyotes are and have been resident to the state for many years. Therefore there did not have to be any environmental impact studies. That is why there wasn't the big outcry from the public like there was in other parts of the country, like with the reintroduction of Wolves and Mt. Lions.

Coyotes have been released but not to reintroduce them they were released in specific areas and monitored as part of a study to see how they would impact the deer population in test areas. They animals that were releases were released wearing radio tracking devices.

The rapidly increasing population is due to the nature of the animal. Once the species becomes established in an area they will increase in numbers because of their great ability to adapt to almost any climate and rely on a variety of prey as a food source.

I hope that I was able to clear some things up and shed a little light on a subject that it appeared everyone involved had half the truth.
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Old 02-21-2005 | 03:45 PM
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conservationist- can you produce documents , news articles or a legit website to support this ?

is it on the DEC website?

is the information available to the public?

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Old 02-21-2005 | 05:05 PM
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I hope that I was able to clear some things up and shed a little light on a subject that it appeared everyone involved had half the truth

Without proof, a statement from a 1st time poster, or anyone else, clears up nothing - just another rumor.

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