The truth is out there!!!

quote]The truth is out there!!![/quote]

Well bring it on in!!!!!
Which "truth":
1-There are cougars?
2- Coyotes and cougars have been brought in in a Black Ops?

Either way - share the truth with real proof and documentation!!!!!!


Steve

The DEC does have records of mountain lion sightings and reports - They are just a little hard to find. There is an entire file devoted to mountain lions in NY.

The DEC wont deny there being Mt Lions in the state - The simply wont say that there is either.

The last Mt Lion on record in the state was take for bounty in the late 1800's -

That does not mean that there are none left - There have been confirmed sightings and even confirmed mountain lion kills in the state. There is a website link in one of the earlier post that has some good info.

There has been talk for years by the DEC about the POSSIBILITY of reintroducing the species to the Adirondaks - but as far as I know it is still just a possibility.

There is belived to be a number of free roaming Mt. Lions in NY all over the state but, the majority of them are belived to have been released by individuals who did not know what they were getting into when the took one in for a pet.

A Mt. Lion is a very deadly animal if not respected but, for they would rather be unseen and unbothered. It is just their nature. If given enough space lions in NY would not be a big deal the problem lies in people that would not be happy leaving well enough alone and they would go looking for these animals and would end up getting injured or worse then the animals would be labled man eaters and would most likely be killed on sight in spite of the hefty fine that would go along with it.

I am working on getting documentation on the coyote studies and relocation project that I talked about in an earlier post.

Your talking wild one right.


Where did you get that info.The one I heard about was in 93. Who believes ?

Maybe I missed it but who do you work for?

BTW, You haven't cleared a thing up you could be Cougardaville or anyone using a different username.

Personally, I haven't seen any proof from anyone showing that lions do in fact exist in Pa. (however, as I stated earlier I had encounters with 2 at extremely close range so I personally believe they are here). This is all besides the point. What I don't get is when people say the last one was harvested in the 1800's. This is a bunch of BS. How in the heck can anyone say that "the absolute last one was killed". Did they check every square mile of the state? Did they have a name for him? I mean come on. No one in their right mind can use this as a valid argument to say there are none left. Now granted i can't say that the two I saw weren't released pets but then again at the time I wasn't aware of this huge debate so I didn't think of pictures or contacting the game comission. All we could do was cut the horns off the buck he was eating the next day. Basically, I know burden of proof rests on us that do believe they exist but some of the arguments against their existance are pretty weak.

bearklr -

I think that you may have taken what I posted the wrong way. I am not saying that the absolute last Mt lion in NY was killed in the 1800's.

What i am saying is that the last reported kill was in the late 1800's - That is not to say there wasn't more out there. It is just no one as actually killed one and reported it to any type of authority since then. There have been none that anyone knows about found dead and none hit by a vehicle anywhere in the state to actually document that there are any still here.

CharlieP

You asked where I work -

I am a wildlife consultant and I work with a few colleges throughout the state. I do most of my work in the Adirondaks at Paul Smiths College - with the Environmental Science Program, also I have worked with SUNY ESF, Fingerlakes Community College, and I have worked in many projects with NYSFWS and the NYSDEC.

I would also like to clear up something I posted earlier.

quote:

There is belived to be a number of free roaming Mt. Lions in NY all over the state

This makes it sound like there are cougars runnning all over the state - by a number I mean small numbers like maybe 15-20 in the whole state and that is being pretty generous with the numbers. I am thinking more aloong the lines of 10-12.

CharlieP - you are also right, I could be just anyone under another username or some Joe Yahoo off the street or some loony in the nut house for all anyone knows, but there is no one making you belive any of this either. Belive what you want i am just giving you my input. I hope I am able to shed a little light on the subject and as I said earlier i will post some documentation on the coyote issue.

There are alot of fallisies concerning this topic and I hate to see people running around spreading half the truth to everyone they see. All that leads to is a bunch of people thinking that they know the real truth and everyone else is wrong.

ask the poeple in california if cougars "would rather be left alone". those things eat californians like once a week!



lots of words, but STILL...........................................NO PROOF

Hey Turkeyhunter1, I got the New York Outdoor News and they had a couple articles on the '04 deer kill being down 20% from '03, 200,000 vs 253,000.The year before that was 308,000.They gave many reasons from weather to doe tags, age of hunters and even the lack of moving deer do to portable tree stands, but no mention of predators.
I guess if the coyotes haven't had an effect yet they soon will. They got to run out of small prey sooner or later. Did I mention alot of my neighbors seem to be missing there family pets. Oh well, must be a coincidence.