ZR 900

They aren't really pretty much the same thing. The 270 WSM is far superior to the plain 270 and there is no way the 270 or 300 WSM are going away. They are selling like crazy and they are here to stay.

vabyrd

Far Superior?

At 200 yards:

270 Win 270 WSM

Vel2510 2707 dif 197fps
Eng 1818 2114dif 296 ft.lbs
300yd drop with150 yd zero 9.8 8.2 dif 1.6 inches

I doubt it. There is nothing "far superior" about those numbers, both are 130 grain Remington Core-loks. The 270 Hornady Light Magnum 130 grain beats the 270 WSM.
Short Mags are nothing but an effort to convince people that those minimaldifferences will make you a better hunter. There isvery little functionalobsolescence in firearms, so the new cartridges are how yousell more guns.

idunno

You want something that not many other people have check out the new rounds by Hornady in this month's Guns and Ammo magazine. they have come out with 2 new short magnum cartridges based on cut down 375 ruger cases. They are 300RCM and 338RCM (Ruger Compact Magnum). If I read right the 338RCM closely duplicates the 338 Win mag in a 308 win length action and 20" barrel.

vabyrd

300 WSM
30 TC
300 SAUM
300 RCM
308 Marlin Express


Whats next? 300WTF

ZR 900

If newer is not better we would all be shooting 30/30's. More velocity, flatter shooting = far superior. The 270 WSM is approx 10% better and 10% is a bunch.

10% more horsepower.
10% more gas mileage.
10% longer life span.

10% is far superior in my book.

Do you think a 270 is superior to a 30/30?

wildpair

Lubricious is correct they are not the same. the short mags are more Accurate and the bullet drop is less than that of the regular cases. I shoot alot of 1000 yard comp and i have seen a very bigdifference in the 2 cases and if there was not that much difference why does the majorty of people shoot a 6.5 x .284 this is the same as the short mags. the little short fat case is the way to go. If you are wanting something different build or buy you a 6.5 x .284 you have to reload your own bullets but they are awesome. I started shooting one last year and love it. I also have one in a 17 lbs gun that i shoot the 1000 yards with. if you ever get a chance go shooting with a short mag and a regular case you will see the difference.just my 2 cents

vabyrd

30-30 vs. 270? Two totally different cartridges. Take both of those at 300yds with 150 gr. bulletsand you tell me. 270 has 50% more energy at that range than the 30-30.Id consider that far superior. I can't see how the 10% is worth the trouble of bad feeding rifles, less ammo choices and availability, and more expensive ammo. Its has, nor ever will be, proven thatan extra 10% is thedifference between success and failure in a hunting situation. Drop means nothing if you know where you're shooting. As far as the 1000 yard competition goes, that's comparing apples to oranges. Hand weighed charges and bullets, custom bedded rifles, 10oz triggers, 15 lb guns, bull barrels. No comparasion. You're talking race car vs. family sedan.Take a look at what the African hunters use, and I DONT mean CraigBoddington. Ruger employees don't count. You'll see 7x57 for most med. game and375 H&H Magnum for the bigger stuff, .500's for the monsters. Those 3 will take anything on the continent.Biggest animal here is what, a moose or elk? Yet we have 100 choices for ammo. Harry Selby, one of the most successful PH's over there, swears by the 375, and were are talking dangerous game.

I hunt with both a 270 and 30-30. I use the 270 where I know I'll have long shots and need optics. The 30-30 comes out when I like to challenge myself to get within 50yds and take a deer with open sights. Final result is the same....meat in the freezer.

What is superior is subjective. If you like the short stuff, buy them. Personally, Id rather see a manufacture put money into making their guns better. Problem is thata better gun wont sell. New and improved does. Proof is in the marketing, not the end result.

wildpair

vabyrd you are correct on would rather see a manufacture put money into making their guns to make a better product. Remington guns have gone to crap the older remington are great but are going down hill now. I was not tring to compare a comp gun to a hunting gun i know that is a very big difference.I like the long range shooting and have a place to hunt where i can shoot long range that is one of the big reasons that i have a 6.5 x .284 for deer hunting but my 7mm and .270 also does a great job at long distance.

vabyrd

wildpair, it seems that all the good guns have already been made. Im a big fan of the older guns too. Thats why I could care less about these new short mags. Putting high octance in a ford pinto, is still a ford pinto. My gun of choice is a 1968 Model 70 deluxe in 270. Talley mounts, Leupold VXII 3x9, shoots 1" groups with 130 core-loks. Not that its the best ammo on the market, but if if aint broke, dont fix it. Im keeping my fingers crossed on the FN Model 70's that will come out next year. I've been looking for years for a synthetic stocked rifle, and nothing off the rack has suited me so far. I was sold on the A-bolts, untilI saw a used one that the stock looked like it had faded from black to grey. What a mess.All the new stuff just seems so rough to me. I hate the bead blasted finishes. I love the selling point though, "cuts glare so you dont spook game". It cuts manufacturing time, thats it. I'd put a new stock on the one I had, but Ijust spent the last month or so re-checkering and re-finishing it. Kicker is the really nice synthetic stocks costalmost as much as the same rifle new.A used custom rifle is probably the route I'll go.....

idunno

I have a 338 Federal and as far as shooting performance I like it. Have not shot any game with it yet but expect it will do fine on Whitetails and Wild hogs. Another new one that might be worth looking into if you like "different" is the 300 or 338 RCM. They are both 375Ruger cut down and necked to respective calibers. According to Guns and Ammo the 338 RCM in a 20 inch barrel has performance that equals 338 rem mag in a 24 in tube. Here's a link to the article http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ammuni...ornady_110107/