Not sure if I am for it or against it, but I will say as long as it is legal, I dont have a problem with it.

Again, here is exactly what you said. You said its a fact of physics that a arrowgun bolt loses energy faster than a compound bow arrow. This is dead freakin wrong.

After a bolt or arrow leaves, it doesn't matter anymore. After it leaves the string, it cannot accelerate any further. No matter if the arrow gun has a stroke of 30" or 7", if both launch at 300fps, the freakin bolt ain't going get faster. The forces are strickly negative and only dependent on the bullistic coef, (drag with momentum). Only thing the power stroke does is gets the arrow or bolt up to launch speeds. Thats freakin it.


You know I hate to be rude, but are a waste of time. I mean freakin kids know this crap.

Most DO allow crossbows in archery season, just most of the states also have restrictions that say you have to have a Dr signed permit. But legal none the less they are.

yes you certainly did ........... you showed how a crossbow has limbs and a string, generating the power that propels the shafts downrange. That is the definition of a bow BTW, if you didn't know.

and again, nothing I'm typing you can't find in 10 minutes of google searching - like when I said most states allow crossbows. Did you not think I KNEW that already? Of course I did. They do NOT allow guns in archery season, none of them do. Google it, check it out, you'll see that I'm right there too.

My point? Bows are allowed in archery season, not guns. Never guns. Crossbows are not guns, or they'd not be allowed.

Here is something else that'll blow your mind. Ready?

I have a legal archery weapon in my hand, its a bow because guns aren't allowed in Arkansas archery season. Its a crossbow, and its defined as a legal bow.

I cross the state line into Kansas and BAM! It becomes not a bow anymore bases on Kansas rules and regulations.

Now, did the bow change? No, HOW the state's laws categorize it changes (how its allowed), but what it is hasn't changed at all.

In fact, it hasn't changes in centuries, the crossbow is, and will always be a bow, by the very definition of what a bow is.

Look the definition up, you'll see I'm right, and you'll also see how the compound bow is very close to not being a bow at all.



In the end, a crossbow is not a negative to archery season, never has been and THAT is why it being approved in more and more states. Like the compound, its far easier to shoot than a recurve or longbow, like a compound in draws in hunters to archery season. These are all positives, not negatives.

If you're against a crossbow, list why, and I will in turn list why your compound too should be banned based on the same reasoning.

Also same as a gun. But you didn't know that. So since we got choices by dictionaries, I pick arrowgun.

Not in most states is it considered equal to a vertical bow unless disabled. As it should be. Disabled people have enough challenge as it is, and should be allowed. Lets face, it, is freakin AK. The home state of the clintons, they didn't get it right.

And also your wrong. Guns are allowed in MD during archery season, even summer under special restrictions called "crop damage permits", you know special restrictions, like an arrowgun can be used by the disabled and elderly.

We are talking about MD, not KS. Good for them

Nope, since the definitions are so close to a gun, I feel its closer to a gun.

Absolutely wrong. its being allowed more and more in states due to lobbying by bow shops and manufactures. Yes, I called my DNR many times. Just what the man told me.

Read the main title, its not about compounds. But I agree, they should have a separate shorter season as longbows/compounds, and arrowguns have an even more separate shorter season, with the reasonings of Roy Case and the first archery season. But it doesn't matter in this thread as its about, "arrowguns in MD", not comparisons with compounds or about AK.

Lets take a step back...remember how this got started? You guys said the xbow was at a great advantage because it could kill deer much farther. Remember the guy saying he only saw 8 deer all year and that there were out of range for his bow....but if he had a xbow they would have all been dead??

Fast forward....the the xbow must have a much higher draw weight to gain enough energy to make up for the short power stoke. Just because the draw weight is so high dosnt mean it can kill deer much farhter. This is why the prower stroke comes into play.....

With that said they both have about the same energy but the come about it in different ways. One with a longer power stroke and one with higher weight. The xbow does lose energy out past 40 plus yards slightly over the bow. Some of this has to also do with the shorter arrow because it's harder to stabilize. Are you with me still.....

You always say if everything is the same.....well its not the same and the xbow isn't the long range killing machine you guys make it out to be. Do some research....

All the modern xbows I have seen shoot are pretty deadly at 50 plus yards. They shoot flat and fast which must still have more than enough kinetic energy to kill at that distance. If they didn't have the range they would be falling off the table at longer yardages and from what I have seen they are just the opposite. I don't own one and hopefully never will but I have shot them and if you can point and aim a gun it is the same. Being accurate with a bow requires lots more skill because of form, equipment matching and overall experience. Certainly the ease of killing something is much harder with a bow because you have to move to draw and there is only a certain amount of time you can hold at full draw. A xbow is always ready and all you have to do is pull the trigger. Like everything there are limits placed on what is allowed. Many places don't allow semi automatics for instance. Some places don't allow rifles. Placing a limit on bows that have to be drawn to shoot without a hold would eliminate the xbows and draw locks that are becomming more popular. I still maintain that if all the states allowed xbows to be used with a medical waiver then it would make more sence. To me a crossbow is just a line in the sand. Places have to determine how far they will allow it to go before the original intent of the season and method is lost.

all i'm saying is that you don't have to resort to cut downs.

i never said i didn't like it. i just don't see the need for cutdowns. and by the way i'm not lazy or a jack*ss. i would work circles around you.

I don't doubt that the xbow is easier to shoot. That doesn't really matter to me. Why didnt we put a limit on compound bows at 50% let off ? Most are now at 80 % and some more. It's getting easier. Why did P&Y chnage the rules for let off? We have trail cams to make scouting easier. Mechanical broadheads to make tuning easier. Why go to inline muzzleloaders ? Nothing is getting harder for anyone

The thing is times are changing if you like it or not. Deer numbers keep going up and hunter numbers keep going down. Something needs to be done to keep hunters in the sport. Seasons are getting longer and longer. It's already shown that the xbow isn't hurting anyone or anything. You can say what ever you like but it's just the fact. The population is not suffering and the seasons are not getting shorter.

You don't really get any extended range from them. I don't have one but what the heck, can't say I'd never buy one.. If it's legal and it gets a person out hunting and spending time in the outdoors.. Good!