Its not the velocity or KE that makes the arrowgun easier to shoot 60 yards, its the ability to have a gun trigger, gun stock, and usually a rest.

And for the record, you said a bolt looses KE faster. This is dead wrong.
My example wasn't about power stroke, as I clearly laid out, a bolt of equal weight, drag coef and fletch. Everybody knows that power stroke is usually shorter. Everybody knows that its made up with draw weight. We all know this. You clearly said a bolt looses energy faster. Total lie made up by you.

You also said bows with heavier arrows has more energy. Total lie. A bow has only a fixed amount of energy, no matter the size of the arrow. The efficiency only goes up less than 1% comparing 350gr arrow to 800gr. Don't believe me, conduct your own tests. Bligblulls already did this a few years ago.

This is another lie. A bolt is already stabilized. It is still spinning. It doesn't follow the greenhill formula, like a bullet, it has fletch to stabilize. Did you really think it was going to start tumbling like a bullet after it crosses the sound barrier? This is a total lie. Your also not mentioning archers paradox. Look it up. A compound usually looses energy due to oscillations of the arrow hense the forgiveness of an arrowgun due to spine. No compound, and especially trad bows are immune to paradox. Go do a video search for archers paradox.

Just a few weeks ago, on the history channel, there is a competition/reality show showing marksman competing called top shop. Two men competed against each other with arrowguns. Niether has any experience with arrowgun. Both was able to hit apples at 40 freakin yards after an hour practice session. Try that with a new shooter with a compound. Do some research.

Get an education

You don't have to try to agg everyone on but you continue too. Should you be banned? Your not adding anything to HNI or thier other forums. Just here to post popcorn. Do you think you should be banned?

First lets get this clear ....I do not lie. You should try and conduct yourself with at least a little dignity and stop acting like a 5 year old.

How many times do I have to say...I never said a xbow is harder to learn. Can we stop with this point or can you not help yourself?

Yes the bow has a fixed amount of energy built into it but it makes a different what you shoot out of it. A very light arrow and a heavy arrow will carry that enery down range differently. Stand 70 yards away from a pitching machine and let it hit you with a 100 mph baseball and a 100 mph tennisball and see the one that carries the energy the best.

A shorter lighter arrow does lose energy faster thats just a fact.

I said the xbow and bow are much alike in the effective kill range...not which one is easier to shoot. You guys said the xbow was a long range weapon over the bow. Its not. They both are very similar. I can post a graph showing the xbow arrow and compound shooting nearly the same until it gets out to about 50 yards and the xbow arrow drops a little more. But there is no need in doing this because you said you didnt believe anything from the internet anyway.....you can't lose can you ... you only believe what to say and call everyone else liars no matter what they say or show you. Childish on your part.

You wouldn't know anything about dignity. Don't even try. Whats funny, there are engineers on this page. Your just showing your hand, and don't even know it.

YOu clearly said they have the same range. I showed how they don't have the same range is two new guys can start hitting apples at 40 yards. You lie again.


Thats not what you said, you said a bolt from an arrowgun loses KE faster. I clearly asked, if you meant if a bolt and an arrow shot at 320fps with the same drag, same fletch would impact at different KE. You clearly said yes. Do you deny saying that?? You lie again.

I know they don't, because I thought you menmentum. I challenge you to show me where I said or even hinted a heavier object wouldn't carry momentum!!! Let see who here has dignity and honesty.

Total lie. How???
KE=mv^2
velocity hitting the target=Vimpact=Acc*time-Vinitial acceleration is the exact same with the exact drag coef. Time of flight is the exact same with the exact wieght and drag coef. Now, you explain to me how??? Lets see your physics at work. Lets see who has dignity and who is a liar.

Post it. Lets see who has dignity and honor. But both have to have the exact same initial velocity, wieght, and drag coef. You lie again.

Don't use the internet. Use your education. Use simple high school algebra. I just proved it.

What's that mean? No, guns are NOT allowed in archery seasons, anywhere. Crossbows are allowed in almost all of them. You now know this because you looked it up, even though I told you as much.

I can tell you AK isn't Arkansas, but you need to look it up to see for yourself, ok?

What does "equal to" have anything to do with it? Its allowed in archery season, guns isn't. Handicap people in many states gets special access etc, however nowhere is guns allowed in archery season.

Nowhere - look it up



You really want to use that as a basis for your argument? Really?



you can call a cat a dog, doesn't make it true does it?


ban compounds then, you know they got there by the same method right?

in fact, the Fathers of archery lobbied to get an archery only season. Look it up. I can't remember the last time the general archery public demanded the industry do something, can you?

the archery public didn't demand release aids, mechanical broadheads, >65% letoff, drop away rests, fiber sights ........ the industry did those things, and lobbied the G&F to adjust the rules to allow them

do you know what year your state started allowing mechnical head? release aids? >65% letoff? look it up ......... all of that was very likley illegal at one time

now it isn't, because of the industry lobbying




now, is that good, or bad? You can SAY its bad, but there are really no negatives from it as far as bowhunting seasons and bag limits, our herds flourish for the most part, archery seasons and bowhunting numbers stronger than ever.

argue against that, go ahead try it




crossbows aren't your thing, I get that
crossbows you are incapable of seeing as a bow, I get that
crossbows seem ridiculously easy to you I guess

That's you, there are tens of thousands of hunters that crossbows ARE their thing, they DO see them as bows and there is a challenge there that want to take on.

Now you say make them do it in any other season but archery, the same argument traditional bowhunters argued against compounds. Compounds won and now look at where things are - compounds were GOOD for archery.

Who's to say crossbows aren't either? The similarities in the arguments are almost mirror mirror based on the same fundamentals.


In the end bigcountry, I know you'll always in your heart believe a heat gun should be allowed in rifle season and you'll probably always carry a concealed nail gun for protection, and you'll always see a crossbow as a gun too and your state's G&F and all of the others will (read that again) WILL change the rules to recognize crossbows as legal archery equipment for everyone.

Then after 35 years of no negative impact you'll realize what a waste of P&Y rhetoric you argued here.

Ok, lets start here.

Do you agree with the following?

KE=mv^2
V=Vo+aT
A=F/m
F=d/dt*(mv)
Fd=1/2*p*u^2*Cd*A(area, not accel)

Yes, your correct about AK. It was early. Sorry about that. Guns are allowed in archery season, even in no season under special restrictions of crop damage. FACT.

Right now this second, I have a permit to use guns in archery season for 2 deer.



Absolutely. Meaning an arrowgun is ok under special considerations for the elderly or diabled. As a gun is ok under special considerations of damage to crops.

Not my issue right now. The post is about arrowguns in MD. You want to ban compounds, start your own thread.

I do, you should have been down to annapolis when it was up for debate. Yes, I already told you Roy Case in WI started it and was opposed to arrowguns. His arguement was clear that we needed the longer seasons due to the difficulty of harvest with bow. Arrowguns were too easy.

Not my issue right now. The post is about arrowguns in MD being treated as no different than archery equp.

Total lie. I have witnessed the negatives myself. You havn't, your issue, your perogative

Good, make it weapon of choice, manage herds, no one is left out.

No, total lie, and shows your integrity. I never said heat guns should be allowed. I clearly brought them up to show how other products being toys or tools have the name gun attached and why they are.

where is the momentum equation?

KE is about as worthless in archery as tits on a boar hog. But then even my kid knows that, and there are engineer's on here that will tell you this as well. Look it up ........

100% agree, but this joker ky doesn't know what it is. At least you do. Good for you.

We are not discussing on which is better momentum or KE. I of course know momentum. Just this guy thinks if you had a bolt and arrow of same weight with same drag, that the bolt is going to loose KE faster. We can replace it with momentum. Makes no difference.

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/huntersguide/weapon.asp

no, guns are NOT legal archery equipment in Maryland. See the above rules and regulations. Go to Maryland, buy a non-res license and go into archery season with a 30.06 and see what happens.

you're trying to find a way to continue justifying your ridiculousness ....... its failing miserably



I doubt that. You might have 2 depredation permits allowing you to kill crop damaging wildlife, but that doesn't mean the archery season is allowing you to do it nor does it mean your gun is legal archery equipment.

The G&F likely uses dyamite outside of trapping season for nuisance beavers.

Does that mean dynamite is legal means to kill beavers? why no ........ even a kid can see the difference. look it up




BTW what is this arrowgun you speak of? Can you give me a link to it please? I'm very curious, I cannot find it anywhere and I've searched wikipedia, m-w.com, Maryland's web site .......... I simply cannot find it anywhere.

Maybe its where the boofalongmongalong is? Because that word I cannot find either.




ok, I'll cal you out on this one - show me the negative. give me factual negative of what the crossbow did to your season/bag limits or other impacts to Maryland archery season. Go ahead, and believe you me if you can show me something, I'll be against crossbows right there with you.

go on boy


they're managing their herds right now, people like you are left behind while they do it. sorry, that's the truth


LOL you're big on the whole " liar liar, pants on fire" thing today aren't you?

I didn't accuse, I didn't call you a liar, I stated the obviousness of your insistant posts. Nothing more, nothing less.

None the less IF that was what you wanted to show, lets look at the Maryland G&F regulations to see what they say hm?


Oh, looky there .......... no mention of "gun" anywhere, "gun" isn't attached but I do see "bow" attached.

Must be a bow then huh? Maryland says it is






Vertical Bow Regulations

•Vertical bows (compound, recurve, or straight limb) may be used to hunt nutria, woodchucks, and all game birds and game mammals, including migratory game birds, with the exception of beavers, long-tailed weasels, mink, muskrats, and river otters.
•Draw locking devices are legal on all vertical bows except when hunting waterfowl.
•Release aids are permitted.
•For hunting deer and bear, the vertical bow shall have a full draw and pull of not less than 30 pounds.

Crossbow Regulations

•Crossbows may be used to hunt nutria, woodchucks, and all game birds and game mammals with the exception of beavers, long-tailed weasels, mink, muskrats. river otters, and waterfowl.
•The use of telescopic sights is permitted on all crossbows.
•A crossbow used for deer or bear hunting shall have a draw of not less than 75 pounds.
•All crossbows should have a working safety.
•It is unlawful to have a ****ed crossbow in, on or leaning against any vehicle.

Regulations Pertaining to Both Vertical Bows and Crossbows

•Arrows used for deer or bear hunting must have a sharpened broadhead with a metal cutting surface having a minimum width of 7/8 of an inch.
•The vertical bow and crossbow may be used for hunting deer during the Deer Firearms Season and Muzzleloader Season, in accordance with Firearms and Muzzleloader Season regulations.
•Firearms may not be carried while hunting deer during the Bow Season.
•The use of poisoned arrows is not permitted.