Healthy herd myth
08-03-2007 | 09:15 PM
#141
Boone & Crockett
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: atlasman
The old days of arm bands and party permits..............couldn't even shoot a doe and saw plenty of them.........now I have enough tags to make a book and don't see half as many deer.
Yup............those biologists sure know what they are doin'
ORIGINAL: Charlie P
It's NY man you don't think we know that.
I've hunted this state for 30 years seen it go from 5 guys on a "party permit" (doe permit) to being able to take up to what is it now 7 deer?
Plenty of really nice bucks get killed around here every year. Don't see a need to mandate AR's.
So you guy can see not everyone thinks the same in NY
I've hunted this state for 30 years seen it go from 5 guys on a "party permit" (doe permit) to being able to take up to what is it now 7 deer?
Plenty of really nice bucks get killed around here every year. Don't see a need to mandate AR's.
The old days of arm bands and party permits..............couldn't even shoot a doe and saw plenty of them.........now I have enough tags to make a book and don't see half as many deer.
Yup............those biologists sure know what they are doin'
All issues would be solved[:-]
08-03-2007 | 09:18 PM
#142
Boone & Crockett
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: atlasman
If we both hunted 2,000 acre family farms that would be true
So is it possible that there already are plenty of big mature bucks out there and the herd is way healthier then we know...............because we just don't see them remember??
ORIGINAL: Germ
I see and shoot plenty of them So I do not get your point, matter of fact your odds in NY are better than mine in MI
I see and shoot plenty of them
So I do not get your point, matter of fact your odds in NY are better than mine in MI
So is it possible that there already are plenty of big mature bucks out there and the herd is way healthier then we know...............because we just don't see them remember??
Well you don't in the QDM zones
I see them all the time, just wish they were closer
08-03-2007 | 09:19 PM
#143
Nontypical Buck
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From: Moravia NY USA
RE: Healthy herd myth
Yea then we can have the problems they do in many of the big buck states, outfitters buying up land and making it hard for an average guy to finda spot to hunt. We need hunting to become the sport ot the rich right?
I would ask hunters in these areas their thoughts on hunting access in these areas - common answer was "hard and getting harder every year".
I then asked them what they thoughtaccess would be like if the proposal went through, actually worked, and resulted in a rep like Pike Cty.
Not a hard question to answer - local hunters would lose most if not all access and the state land would be over run.
Steve
08-03-2007 | 09:21 PM
#144
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From: NY
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: Germ
That is great Atlas, I really like there system. It allows guys to shoot what they want. I can tell you when you take that second tag out of some hunters hands their standards change on what is a good buck.
That is great Atlas, I really like there system. It allows guys to shoot what they want. I can tell you when you take that second tag out of some hunters hands their standards change on what is a good buck.
08-03-2007 | 09:23 PM
#146
Giant Nontypical
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From: Phoenixville, PA USA
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: Charlie P
You know I just don't want the goverment mandating more of my life. I'm happy doing what I'm doing. If I decide I want to stalk up on a small buck and shoot him off the ground well that's what I enjoy. You want to shoot a large racked deer walking under your tree stand fine. Just don't mandate how I'm supposed to hunt anymore then it already is.
For some people raising the bar is going totally primative making their ownbows and arrows etc and hunting out of natural blinds and shooting at only ten yards for them a spike could a real trophy.
You know I just don't want the goverment mandating more of my life. I'm happy doing what I'm doing. If I decide I want to stalk up on a small buck and shoot him off the ground well that's what I enjoy. You want to shoot a large racked deer walking under your tree stand fine. Just don't mandate how I'm supposed to hunt anymore then it already is.
Steve, great point. That's why I continuously raise the bar for myself.
08-03-2007 | 09:24 PM
#148
Boone & Crockett
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: SteveBNy
Great point Charlie - and one I used last year when a private group already controlling 1000's of acres in 7j and 7h wanted to go mandatory AR in these wmu's - claimed we have the potential for deer similar to Pike County's rep..
I would ask hunters in these areas their thoughts on hunting access in these areas - common answer was "hard and getting harder every year".
I then asked them what they thoughtaccess would be like if the proposal went through, actually worked, and resulted in a rep like Pike Cty.
Not a hard question to answer - local hunters would lose most if not all access and the state land would be over run.
Steve
Yea then we can have the problems they do in many of the big buck states, outfitters buying up land and making it hard for an average guy to finda spot to hunt. We need hunting to become the sport ot the rich right?
I would ask hunters in these areas their thoughts on hunting access in these areas - common answer was "hard and getting harder every year".
I then asked them what they thoughtaccess would be like if the proposal went through, actually worked, and resulted in a rep like Pike Cty.
Not a hard question to answer - local hunters would lose most if not all access and the state land would be over run.
Steve
Issues are only going to get worst, either way. Why I say get involed and help out.
Start a group called
HFRDM
Hunters for reasonble deer management
08-03-2007 | 09:29 PM
#149
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: atlasman
I have no desire to change anyone's standards. Your tag is your tag. Do with it what you want..........just don't complain about it afterwards. Nothing burns me up worse then some idiot saying he doesn't know what he will do if a monster walks out because he already filled his buck tag [:@]
ORIGINAL: Germ
That is great Atlas, I really like there system. It allows guys to shoot what they want. I can tell you when you take that second tag out of some hunters hands their standards change on what is a good buck.
That is great Atlas, I really like there system. It allows guys to shoot what they want. I can tell you when you take that second tag out of some hunters hands their standards change on what is a good buck.
BTW in MI the deer would be shot and tagged by his wife. But that is for another thread
08-03-2007 | 09:30 PM
#150
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From: NY
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: Germ
True statement, so it is ok if I shoot him at his peak. He has been breeding for at least 2.5 years than most deer Talk about your contridictions[&:]
True statement, so it is ok if I shoot him at his peak. He has been breeding for at least 2.5 years than most deer
Talk about your contridictions[&:]
People who own and breed thoroughbred horses would tend to disagree