I don't think it was the leathility of the head - it was the luck of that shot - the deer I lost had the arrow positioned in nearly the exact same spot - this time I just go lucky & cut something.



Aim small miss small

GeoffM24 - I whole heartedly agree with what you've written - and that's what I've posted. This has happened on at least 3 of 4 quartering shots on me. I never looked over the 4th carcass well because the deer was dead - don't know if it slid on that one or not.

Also - Your buddies opinion probably isn't that far off either - my point is I BELIEVE with these heads that angle that is TOO steep is greatly reduced due to the angle of the blade - I.E. you have to re-learn what is 'too steep'.



Aim small miss small

"I don't think it was the leathility of the head - it was the luck of that shot - the deer I lost had the arrow positioned in nearly the exact same spot - this time I just go lucky & cut something."

Huntmup,

My comments were not limited to the experiences that you've shared as I know a fella who has taken 8 deer this year so far with the Slick Trick and he reports no deflection issues but a few of the hits were marginal. He reports that the recovery distances have been on balance shorter than with the previous broadhead that he was using. His only observation is that he would like for the head to be a little heavier and will switch to the 125 grain when they become available. One other thing, just because I suggest another explanation to your observations does not imply that I'm dismissing off hand what you're presenting. Like many here I consider myself a student of deer hunting with archery tackle and while I remain cautious regarding your conclusions, there is no doubt that I have benefited a good bit from your presentation. It has defintely got me thinking about deflection and broadhead design.

In the next ten weeks I'll get out there maybe 25-30 times and all of that for one shot. I may not get that shot but if I do, I need to make that shot. I take this stuff very seriously, so if I seem anal it's not directed at you.

Take Care.

If Slick Trick comes out with a 125 gn head, and gets the extra 25 gn from making the head LONGER (less angle) I may well go back to SLick Tricks. For now, I am studying the angles of as many broadheads as I can. Then I will start testing deflection and see if there is any way one can estimate the tendancy to deflect.

I have not used the Slick Trick heads, but but when I first started bowhunting many years ago, my partner shot a deer with a Bear head (that's about all we had in those days) and thought he had a perfect hit. Tracked the deer for 3 days and didn't get it, but some friends got it during rifle season and it had done just what you describe. The fletch looked like a perfect hit, but it had "glanced" and followed under the skin up into the brisket area - nothing leathal. I have since used Rocky Mountain 3 blade and now use Muzzy, but can see that under certain circumstances they could do the same. Have some go thru the deer and stick in the ground at a dumb angle, but figured the deer had started turning after the shot and before (or during) being hit. I am sure you are having staight arrow flight with all your shooting, but have seen some guys that complain about not getting pass-thru shooting 70#'s. I just tell them to get their arrows flying staight as if it is hitting sideways, it isn't going to do what you want. I'm old and have had pass thrus at 5l#.

webpages.charter.net/acerf1000r
click there to see some ROUGH measurments of the Slick Trick compared to other heads.
heads were measured by sharpest, and least sharp angles from tips to blades. the mech head was measured while opening for max angle, the rest by turning the heads to find highest and lowest angles.
The question now is...looking at that, are we still worried?
P.S. click on the pics for slightly larger view.
YES, the pics SUCK (webcam) but you get the idea.

Well, I have checked with Slick Trick dealers across the country about how Slick Tricks have performed and whether there is a deflection problem. Dealers tell me they are concerned about Slick Tricks. Concerned that they might be changed so that they don't perform as they do. I have yet to speak to a dealer who was not pleased with Slick Trick performance. When told that a guy had questioned that Slick Tricks had a deflection problem they all said it was not so. I value dealers judgment above all others because they are close to the action of many bowhunters, and they feel, like me, a responsibility to the animals and to the preservation of the sport. Plus, they must know if a head performs well or the next year they will have ordered lots of product they can't sell and they can't afford that. I can tell you lots of dealers ordered a few packs of Slick Tricks this year because they said they would not sell a head they had not used themselves successfully. They have reported back that they will be stocking up on Slick Tricks next year. They tell me Slick Tricks penetrate in the same manner as Muzzy or other heads and that there is no penetration problem peculiar to Slick Tricks. What they do quiz me on is when I will have a 125. I am working on 125 manufacturing, and hope, notice I said hope, to have it out by June. So, my advice is to shoot whatever head you feel good about. My dealers tell me they feel good about Slick Tricks because of their pinpoint accuracy, and because if they do happen to get a marginal hit the very large holes give them a recovery edge over other heads. Happy hunting to all, the Owl

One other observation. If you compare the geometry of the Slick Trick to the Rocky Ti 100 you will see the tip and blades will perform similarly when they penetrate. There is no problem that I know of with Rocky Ti 100s deflecting, and I have been told by all my dealers there is no problem with Slick Tricks. Shoot whatever head you like and take a good shot, THANKS GARY