Thanks for the input Gary & you bet, I did write that about my first harvest with the head, and I also posted it here - then things started *happening* and I waited to see if it was me or? Then it happened again, then it happened again - I took FOREVER to gather as much information as possible and to be as non-biased as possible, in an attempt to present the FACTS of what happened to ME.

I've never said they didn't fly awesome - and I always said they didn't quite impact on with my f/p's - but after a slight tune and a slight move of the sight they DID impact TOGETHER consistantly - even out to 50 yards.

The comments on 'only this guy can't make them hit with his f/p's' is a bit shakey IMHO. I shoot TONS of arrows and I can tell when something is off by one inch - I know when it's me and when it's not me, and I can be honest with myself. The heads didn't quite hit with the f/p's but I don't care - they grouped AWESOME and were darts out to 50 yards.

Also - after re-reading the e-mail I had sent to you & thinking about it some more - I'd sure like to have that 1'st carcass back & inspect it for a slide too - it entered further back & came out further ahead than I would have expected - but heck yes it did the job. (Again - presenting facts & being honest with myself)

Ya'all can take this thread for what it's worth & make up your own minds but I guarnatee you NONE of those shots were bad - either in distance or degree of quartering angle or in placement. The small buck I took with a pass-thru was the only one that was questionable & at times I'm still surprised I took the shot but I went into a sub-concious shooter mode & everything was absolutely perfect and with the target completely broadside I had no doubt of my capabilities so I touched it off - again - a very straight & true flying head took out his heart.



Aim small miss small

I just re-read the post & had to post again regarding the sliding on the skinned deer - its tough to tell because of the redness of the blood but if you look at the bottom of the blood on the left side there are 2 'flaps' - that's actually the enterance hole & the arrow slid 'up' the picture basically to the top of the picture.

Yes it's behind the front shoulder because it wan't that steep - and the arrow slid behind the shoulder, then back & down to create the other trauma below & behind the enterance hole.

Stealth_Force it sounds as though we had similar experinces.

Aim small miss small

I'm glad Gary is responding. I've talked to him on the phone (as I know many of you have), and his knowledge impressed me. The Slick Trick head flies awesome. As good or better than field point flight. I started shooting them this year, and quickly realized, without making any adjustments from field point use, that I better start shooting a five-spot target. I ruined several arrows at all distances from them smacking each other.

That, to me, means everything. Accuracy is king, and I feel very confident with these heads in my quiver. I know that if I do my part, the head will find it's mark. I've only taken one deer with them, a 175-lb. Missouri buck. I hit it twice, because I spined it with my first shot. I did not estimate distance properly. The deer dropped at that shot, and the second shot took him through the shoulder. Both of the Slick Tricks were driven down into the Beman shaft, and broke. However, with one shot being through the spine, and the second through heavy shoulder, I'm not sure that wasn't acceptable. The deer died seconds after the number two arrow.

I'll admit that the blades aren't as sharp as I'd like, but I think this is due in large part to the blade thickness. I like the thickness of the blades, so I'm willing to touch the heads up slightly. I simply used a fine stone, and after about 5 strokes per side, I can shave my arm hair. Works for me.



MOCraig

Sounds like this Gary guy is really taking it personally and trying to discredit a person who had a bad experience with his product.

I have never used them but from looking at the sttep blade angle in the pictures I have no trouble at all believing that theses broadheads would have problems on quartering shots. Sounds like the design has several things going for it but it obviously has some flaws too.

huntmup, thanks for the info. Very thorough and food for thought. I hear what you are saying and have heard the heads' designer's reply. I think it will be interesting to see what the results of 5shot's tests will be.

I must admit that when I saw the pics and read the info the first thing that came to mind was a very steep quartering away angle, but I was not there so it's impossible to say.

5shot if I may make a request for your test, please try the deflection test at differing rates of angle. That is, going from slightly quartering away and increasing the angle to severely quartering away. My thinking on this is you may be able to establish a point at which a deflection occurs and then inform hunters that if they want to use these heads to avoid shots at this angle. I'm really looking forward to seeing the results.

Sounds like Gary is taking it kind of personal to me. I see no sense in trying to discredit the mans honest opinion. He is obviously not here to slam the Slick Tricks and his post was well thought out and well researched. I think I will stick with my Thunderheads and my Montecs.

Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal."

NOTE: For those that feel huntmup and I had fluke experiances, I WILL say this. In MY tests (No quartering test was done) The slick trick heads were AWESOME! I have some tests for simulating bone, and the slick tricks beat Muzzy tips. Also a quick easy way to test a heads durability, is to shoot a coconut. The Slick Tricks won that test going away. They are pretty much as accurate as field pooints (I wouldn't say BETTER than FP...let's be real here) and after using the SAME head on coconuts, AND my simulated shoulder blade the head STILL looked new after a change of blades.
If your NOT worried about these heads deflecting...BUY them!!! I have not tested a better head!
I will also say that it COULD be some odd coincidence that huntmup and I had...maybe the animals DID spin JUST as the arrow hit them...only slo-mo replay can tell us for sure.
But for me (let me repeat...for <u>ME</u>) the stories are just TOO similar. I knew the shot was perfect, and was in dis-belief when I saw the result. Again, it COULD be the animal turning...who knows. But for now...I am going to use a different head...one that performed VERY well on a quartering shot. I am not going to &quot;test&quot; heads on deer or any other living animal. <u>I</u> simply do not have the confidence in these heads. that is the ONLY reason I am not shooting them until I see some credible, realistic tests on quartering shots with these AND OTHER heads.
I wish Slick Trick the best, and I am VERY confident they will gets GREAT results from lots of people....just not me for now.

I can see why Gary would take it a bit personal. Kind of like someone telling you that they think your kid is ugly. Even it is true you're going to take offense to it.

The thing is alot can happen from when you release the arrow and when it (hopefully) hits the deer. Any and all heads will have failures at some point and time. From my experience with these heads, I like them and will continue to use them.

huntmup,

On the second to last picture, on the right side at the neck there is this bloodied spot. Is that from the broadhead?

Stealth Force...I am the one who posted that I felt the Slick Trick flew as well, or better, than my field points. I was being real.

Maybe it's in my imagination, but the Slick Trick-tipped arrows almost seemed to me to fly more consistently, as if the broadhead helped guide the arrow. It may indeed be in my mind, but that's what I think.

MOCraig