Grow up

The entire"fish-size-limit" analogy doesn't work wolfen. I haven't read all the posts here, so this may have been pointed out already, but guess what, fish are not deer.

Do you really want to manage deer like fish? If so, then we must close the open season during the breeding period (rut)like they do with bass during spawning. Also, anglers are not encouraged to keep pregnant females of any fish species I know...how does letting all the female deer get a pass fit in with managing deer?

The fish to deer analogy doesn't work for several reason, one being...fish aren't deer. They are different species (1), inhabiting different ecosystems (2) that have completely opposite management strategies (3). The goal of managing fisheries is to keep the population up so there is opportunity for everyone. You want high numbers of the particular species being managed. Deer are managed just the opposite...we aim to reduce the herd in most places to keep the habitat healthy.

There might be a good reasons for antler point restrictions, but comparing fish to deer isn't one of them, and is just plain silly.

Me too, I'm a real Ladykiller.

I hunt for meat not antlers. Once my freezer is full I then can be selective about what animal I harvest. I don't shoot fawns or button bucks or small immature bucks. If a buck is big bodied and has a small rack it needs to be taken out of the population IMHO.

No problem here shortee. Happy Hunting

there will never be as many mature bucks as does and there will always be a limited number of bucks in a given area. if you think having a couple more mature bucks on a few hundred acres suddenly makes them easy to hunt, you are mistaken.

i take an active approach of going after the deer with scouting rather than simply passively sitting in a stand hoping its my lucky day. being able to pattern a specific mature buck's movements and be in the right place is very difficult regardless of the number of mature bucks.

you are also ignoring the fact that killing a buck in an area with only ten 1 1/2 year old bucks is far easier than killing a buck in an area with only ten 4 1/2 year old bucks.

I guess if you have no vision past that long narly hair sticking out your nose you'll never get it.

I will be the first to admit that I hunt great natural no-fenced habitat and I'm truly blessed and fortunate and ultimately a fairy tale dream I have is that most if not all of hunters could experience it...now that's a horrilbe thing isn't it? It would put a halt to the steam rolling effects of leasing, outfitters, and guides turning deer hunting into a rich man's sport. They would still exist but not in the same venue they do now. Supply and demand...more mature bucks in herds throughout the country equals costs go down and more hunters hunt and stay in the game instead of being priced out of it and our sport survives. It's the big picture...not just the one in your woods, out of your treestand.

And as far as your disillusion about monster bucks behind every tree...you couldn't be completely further in left field unless you were in the parking lot. I have buddies who hit it hard every year and don't score on a PY buck and IMO they are quality hunters. I've been a bit luckier but like they say, I'd rather be lucky than good any day...but the point being that it by no means becomes like shooting fish in a barrel. Biological, factual research done on bucks documents that the older they get, the more secretive and elusive they become...sometimes disappearing for years before resurfacing again. Believe me...it's all the challenge a hunter could hope for IMO.

I never said there would be........I said if there were numerous bigger bucks.........which is EXACTLY what passing and QDM strives for.


Never said that either.............so far you are 0 for 2


So do I.........and mostly everyone else here.........What is your point??


That is something you won't have to worry about if you can get their numbers up..........TXHighrack even said already........it is no challenge for him to kill a "mature" buck at his place. Why not?? (Here is a hint......because there are so many of them there )


You are ignoring the fact that killing ANY buck is far easier if there are 10 of them vs if there is only 1

Wow........you will tell yourself anything to justify the never ending BS

I hope you are joking.......it has no chance of doing any of the things you listed. Not even one. If 140 class bucks roamed every square inch of woods it would not stop the current trends........because guys would pay thousands to shoot BIGGER bucks.........then BIGGER...........then BIGGER. As long as there are people willing to pay the money then it will never stop. There are big and even HUGE bucks to be had in countless thousands of acres of public free land each and every year right now........doesn't stop guys from buying up wall hangers does it?

Go back to your herd health or buck:doe ratio tired routines..........this is just plain laughable.


Why do you live in such denial?? Did you not read TXHighrack say it was no challenge at all to kill a "mature" buck on his land?? Did you not see the multiple posts from guys who said their land hadn't produced a "trophy" in decades and now they kill a couple a year and see them all the time??

Wake up and smell what you're shovelin'

It is simple probability........if there are many more big bucks in the woods then you will see them more, get more chances at them and yes......kill them more often then if there are very few of them. Why do you think the most deer get killed during the first day of gun season in every state?? Because they get dumber that day??.........no.........it's because they lose the numbers game. Too many guys in the woods to get away from. Send 2 guys out in the woods and then send out 200 and see which group kills more deer.

Guys kill HUGE deer by the thousands EVERY year............and that is when they are few and far between. How many do you think they would kill if say you doubled the number of those big bucks in the woods through QDM??...........figure that out and you may just begin to see how deep your BS really is.


That's weird.........TXHighrack says it's no "challenge" at all........and all the other guys had to do was let them grow a couple years before shooting them and PRESTO!!!!!!!!.....now they whack 'em every year.

Doesn't sound like "all the challenge" anyone could hope for to me.

I could have picked some of the vegetables in my garden whenever I wanted to this year.........but I let some of them dangle there longer then others and get nice and big and ripe before I took them. Doesn't make me feel like a better gardener.

How could any one have ever thought otherwise?

I don't think I've ever heard any one try to make the case they were letting the dumb ones pass so it would be harder to kill a big one? That's the whole point to growing more big ones and "letting them go so they will grow". It's crazy to even think there is any other reason than to allow a person who couldn't kill a big one when only the smartest deer had the chance to get big.