i would like to know why we use different primers in our muzzleloaders ?? i have tried out 5 different primers [only primers] and shot 15 of them each make .[REMINGTON ,CCI,WINCHESTER , ECT.....] and had no CRUDE RING when i removed the breech plug .but as soon as i loaded up with T7 and fired the rifle i got a CRUDE RING .so i believe the 209 primer has nothing to do with the CRUDE RING ..p.s. am i missing something ????

Some get it while others like me dont. I use 80 grains triple 7, 385 great plains bullet and a CCI primer and have never felt the crud ring.

I get it on my Omega with 777 at 100g. It is a function of 777 not the primer. I didn't get any crud ring with Prodex. Chap Gleason

u mean PYRODEX ..well i used to use it but it stinks too much ..and is hard to clean up ,very messy..

I get the crud ring build up after about the fifth load but very manageable. I too think it is the product of the 777 powder. However, I do believe the 777 primers burn hotter for me and helps with the crud ring.

Acually the T7 primers are thr least hottest of the primers. From what I've read the hotter the primer the more likely a crud ring will form. I have not tried those as ofyet, but I have shot the new remington black powder powder primers with triple 7 and never had any problems. I swabbed the barrel with windex and alcohol after each shot.Even shooting30 rounds produced no crud ring.

i also swabbed the barrel,but with cayugad's formula ,which is cheap and does a perfect job . so i still say the primer has nothing to do with the "CRUDE RING"

No, you ain't missin' 'nuthin'. The crud is from the T7! The only 209 I've sworn never to use again were some Federals I had that I bought for shotgun shells. They were almost impossible to get out of the nipple I used them in (a Mag-Spark on a sidelock). Haven't had any problems at all with the Win. 209's made for use on ML rifles. Haven't tried the Remingtons.......

When Pyrodex first came out, I tried it immediately and found that it permitted me to shoot for several hours without the need to swab the barrel at all until I got home and cleaned the gun. Now this was with Pyrodex RS, not pellets, and the guns I was using were sidelocks. I have never found it more difficult to clean a gun after using Pyrodex vs black powder, BUT I clean by pouring two quarts of BOILING WATER through the barrel first, and don't use ANY solvent other than water. After drying out my (now VERY CLEAN) bores, I swab them out eith Birchwood-Casey SHEATH after they cool down some. Never no rust no-how!!

I cannot fathom using any of the substitute powders IF one is going to swab between each shot-if you do THAT, you are better off with real BP. The only substitutes that are any good to me are those that permit multiple shots w/o swabbing!

I have not used Pyrdex for several years (or any other sub), because I am now concentrating on FLINTLOCKS!

if i am on the fire range or hunting ,once i find the right powder and bullet i use the same combination every time ..i enjoy taking my time with the muzzleloader and when i hunt deer and it is down on the ground i have lots of time to tag the deer and clean the rifle,....