209 primers
 

i would like to know why we use different primers in our muzzleloaders ?? i have tried out 5 different primers [only primers] and shot 15 of them each make .[REMINGTON ,CCI,WINCHESTER , ECT.....] and had no CRUDE RING when i removed the breech plug .but as soon as i loaded up with T7 and fired the rifle i got a CRUDE RING .so i believe the 209 primer has nothing to do with the CRUDE RING ..p.s. am i missing something ????

RE: 209 primers
 

Some get it while others like me dont. I use 80 grains triple 7, 385 great plains bullet and a CCI primer and have never felt the crud ring.

RE: 209 primers
 

I get it on my Omega with 777 at 100g. It is a function of 777 not the primer. I didn't get any crud ring with Prodex. Chap Gleason

RE: 209 primers
 

u mean PYRODEX ..well i used to use it but it stinks too much ..and is hard to clean up ,very messy..

RE: 209 primers
 

I get the crud ring build up after about the fifth load but very manageable. I too think it is the product of the 777 powder. However, I do believe the 777 primers burn hotter for me and helps with the crud ring.

RE: 209 primers
 

Acually the T7 primers are thr least hottest of the primers. From what I've read the hotter the primer the more likely a crud ring will form. I have not tried those as ofyet, but I have shot the new remington black powder powder primers with triple 7 and never had any problems. I swabbed the barrel with windex and alcohol after each shot.Even shooting30 rounds produced no crud ring.

RE: 209 primers
 

i also swabbed the barrel,but with cayugad's formula ,which is cheap and does a perfect job . so i still say the primer has nothing to do with the "CRUDE RING"

RE: 209 primers
 

No, you ain't missin' 'nuthin'. The crud is from the T7! The only 209 I've sworn never to use again were some Federals I had that I bought for shotgun shells. They were almost impossible to get out of the nipple I used them in (a Mag-Spark on a sidelock). Haven't had any problems at all with the Win. 209's made for use on ML rifles. Haven't tried the Remingtons.......

RE: 209 primers
 

When Pyrodex first came out, I tried it immediately and found that it permitted me to shoot for several hours without the need to swab the barrel at all until I got home and cleaned the gun. Now this was with Pyrodex RS, not pellets, and the guns I was using were sidelocks. I have never found it more difficult to clean a gun after using Pyrodex vs black powder, BUT I clean by pouring two quarts of BOILING WATER through the barrel first, and don't use ANY solvent other than water. After drying out my (now VERY CLEAN) bores, I swab them out eith Birchwood-Casey SHEATH after they cool down some. Never no rust no-how!!

I cannot fathom using any of the substitute powders IF one is going to swab between each shot-if you do THAT, you are better off with real BP. The only substitutes that are any good to me are those that permit multiple shots w/o swabbing!

I have not used Pyrdex for several years (or any other sub), because I am now concentrating on FLINTLOCKS!

RE: 209 primers
 

if i am on the fire range or hunting ,once i find the right powder and bullet i use the same combination every time ..i enjoy taking my time with the muzzleloader and when i hunt deer and it is down on the ground i have lots of time to tag the deer and clean the rifle,....