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01-17-2013, 05:07 PM
#22
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 276
Unreal that people on here could look at the FRONT end of that buck and say ANYTHING about his weight! That buck has unreal mass and if he was taken where the guy said I have no doubt it could hit 300# live weight. It also may have been taken within a high fence, but if it was in that type country in 1200 acres it sure as heck wasn't like hunting cattle in a pen either!!! A buck that old could probably hide from you in 10 acres with the proper cover!
01-18-2013, 04:44 AM
#25
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 472
The man at the deer processing facility gave me back 160 lbs of frozen meat and when I asked about the weight he said he had not weighed it before starting to skin it out, but on average they lost about 40 - 45% after gutting and skinning out. If that is true then that puts him at the 300 mark didn't have scales in the woods!
And yes I did take the deer inside the preserve but 1200 acres +/- is still a lot of woods, creek bottoms and steep ridges. I am old and overweight but I bet I can hide from you in that amount of property and terrain and I am not a deer!! And it is not like shooting cattle, as someone posted, they certainly are wild deer and not hand raised at all. He is able to work towards bigger mature bucks by controlling harvest and closely watching and thinning doe numbers so as to keep buck doe ratio at about two to one. I saw one taken there same time frame scoring probably 160 main frame 10 point taken outside the preserve with a bow on some of his land.
And yes I did take the deer inside the preserve but 1200 acres +/- is still a lot of woods, creek bottoms and steep ridges. I am old and overweight but I bet I can hide from you in that amount of property and terrain and I am not a deer!! And it is not like shooting cattle, as someone posted, they certainly are wild deer and not hand raised at all. He is able to work towards bigger mature bucks by controlling harvest and closely watching and thinning doe numbers so as to keep buck doe ratio at about two to one. I saw one taken there same time frame scoring probably 160 main frame 10 point taken outside the preserve with a bow on some of his land.
Unreal that people on here could look at the FRONT end of that buck and say ANYTHING about his weight! That buck has unreal mass and if he was taken where the guy said I have no doubt it could hit 300# live weight. It also may have been taken within a high fence, but if it was in that type country in 1200 acres it sure as heck wasn't like hunting cattle in a pen either!!! A buck that old could probably hide from you in 10 acres with the proper cover!
Don't confuse this animal with a wild one, this is a caged animal, that is why they are not scored for the record book, I am not "Knocking it" if it works for someone I say go for it, but I don't see the thrill in shooting a caged animal. Not a lot different than shooting a cow, at 1200 acres the where-abouts of this animal is known at all times. jmop Doc
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01-18-2013, 05:18 AM
#26
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Allegan, MI
Posts: 8,019
DocD---Farm animal my AZZ! Like shooting a cow---Are you frigginn kidding me! Yea, his weight is that of a cow maybe, LOL! I'm not for canned hunts that you're talking about either, but 1200 acres and saying they know where the animal is at all times is real baloney in the terrain that guy is talking about! Yep, they know the animal is on 1200 acres and that's it, unless they have a friggin tracking collar on it, LOL! Your post is so full of chit I can smell it here at my desk, LOL! A 2 square mile piece of property in the area he's talking about is certainly not a "canned animal game farm", high fence, low fence, or no fence. That deer wouldn't have lived to be prime age when people are hunting it if it wasn't smarter than you appear to be to make ignorant statements like you have.
You stated: "Don't confuse this animal with a wild one, this is a caged animal, that is why they are not scored for the record book, I am not "Knocking it" if it works for someone I say go for it, but I don't see the thrill in shooting a caged animal. Not a lot different than shooting a cow, at 1200 acres the where-abouts of this animal is known at all times." jmop Doc
Not knocking it! What in the heck do you call your entire post if it isn't "knocking it" and making baseless statements just based on a fence? Do you have any experience in the matter of animals in a large enclosure like that or were you on a hunt in a ten acre "pen" at one time to lambast a person in your post, which it certainly was. Your statement about entering in the book is because B&C decided not to get into a pizzing match into how big and what kind of terrain would be considered fair chase because it varies so much from animal to animal. Please just tell the guy he shot a nice deer and shut your yapper!
You stated: "Don't confuse this animal with a wild one, this is a caged animal, that is why they are not scored for the record book, I am not "Knocking it" if it works for someone I say go for it, but I don't see the thrill in shooting a caged animal. Not a lot different than shooting a cow, at 1200 acres the where-abouts of this animal is known at all times." jmop Doc
Not knocking it! What in the heck do you call your entire post if it isn't "knocking it" and making baseless statements just based on a fence? Do you have any experience in the matter of animals in a large enclosure like that or were you on a hunt in a ten acre "pen" at one time to lambast a person in your post, which it certainly was. Your statement about entering in the book is because B&C decided not to get into a pizzing match into how big and what kind of terrain would be considered fair chase because it varies so much from animal to animal. Please just tell the guy he shot a nice deer and shut your yapper!
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01-18-2013, 06:45 AM
#27
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 472
DocD---Farm animal my AZZ! Like shooting a cow---Are you frigginn kidding me! Yea, his weight is that of a cow maybe, LOL! I'm not for canned hunts that you're talking about either, but 1200 acres and saying they know where the animal is at all times is real baloney in the terrain that guy is talking about! Yep, they know the animal is on 1200 acres and that's it, unless they have a friggin tracking collar on it, LOL! Your post is so full of chit I can smell it here at my desk, LOL! A 2 square mile piece of property in the area he's talking about is certainly not a "canned animal game farm", high fence, low fence, or no fence. That deer wouldn't have lived to be prime age when people are hunting it if it wasn't smarter than you appear to be to make ignorant statements like you have.
You stated: "Don't confuse this animal with a wild one, this is a caged animal, that is why they are not scored for the record book, I am not "Knocking it" if it works for someone I say go for it, but I don't see the thrill in shooting a caged animal. Not a lot different than shooting a cow, at 1200 acres the where-abouts of this animal is known at all times." jmop Doc
Not knocking it! What in the heck do you call your entire post if it isn't "knocking it" and making baseless statements just based on a fence? Do you have any experience in the matter of animals in a large enclosure like that or were you on a hunt in a ten acre "pen" at one time to lambast a person in your post, which it certainly was. Your statement about entering in the book is because B&C decided not to get into a pizzing match into how big and what kind of terrain would be considered fair chase because it varies so much from animal to animal. Please just tell the guy he shot a nice deer and shut your yapper!
You stated: "Don't confuse this animal with a wild one, this is a caged animal, that is why they are not scored for the record book, I am not "Knocking it" if it works for someone I say go for it, but I don't see the thrill in shooting a caged animal. Not a lot different than shooting a cow, at 1200 acres the where-abouts of this animal is known at all times." jmop Doc
Not knocking it! What in the heck do you call your entire post if it isn't "knocking it" and making baseless statements just based on a fence? Do you have any experience in the matter of animals in a large enclosure like that or were you on a hunt in a ten acre "pen" at one time to lambast a person in your post, which it certainly was. Your statement about entering in the book is because B&C decided not to get into a pizzing match into how big and what kind of terrain would be considered fair chase because it varies so much from animal to animal. Please just tell the guy he shot a nice deer and shut your yapper!
Yes. it is a nice deer, a Very nice deer, (but the question of "fair Chase") is where I disagree. ( & I didn't swear at you once) Doc
01-18-2013, 07:01 AM
#28
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 343
High fence is high fence is high fence concerning the subject at hand, and it's not for me, whether it be 10 acres or 1200 acres.
Concerning the deer, congratulations, he's a hell of buck, and as long as you are happy and proud, that's all that matters. With that neck and mass I would certainly get him mounted in a semi-sneak position to highlight both.
Concerning the deer, congratulations, he's a hell of buck, and as long as you are happy and proud, that's all that matters. With that neck and mass I would certainly get him mounted in a semi-sneak position to highlight both.
01-18-2013, 07:02 AM
#29
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Allegan, MI
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DocD---What you are talking about is completely different than the place this guy went to! Do you realize how big 2 square miles is? That deer has no idea that fence is there and you wouldn't either in that type of country with the terrain and vegetation it encompasses. I'm with you 100% on these small "canned hunts" that are 100% "gimmes" and these farms that are genetically engineering the deer for big bucks (both literally and for money) like the places you mentioned. "Fair chase" as deemed by B&C and not being able to enter that buck is not what this is all about (see my other post). You have admitted your prejudice with no real knowledge of the issue and that's really a shame. The guy may have even shot that buck with a bow by the way and that would mean "getting close and personal" with that animal that's at least five years old and knows every tree and bush in his domain. I guess you would also say that those huge ranches in Texas that are high fence and have 30,000 acres like the one I used to hunt next to on a low fence 2,000 ranch aren't fair chase either, again leaving out what B&C says! By the way, if you call my post swearing at you, you need to get a life!!!
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01-18-2013, 08:28 AM
#30
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 213
Doc
Topgun beat me to the Texas Ranch scenario.
Tell me that somehow, hunting a 30000 acre ranch in those 'Senderos' (sp.?) is not akin to fenced hunting. Those ranchers and directors know every buck on that ranch. Knows their habits probably better than that of their Spouses.
What's the difference? Nothing. Both can be considered Fair Chase regardless of P&Y or B&C bylaws, YMMV.
Maybe ranch or Fenced hunting isn't for you but for you to cast your unrequested opinion on what is fair chase isn't fair the the Post or the Author.
Yep, my $.02
Tell me that somehow, hunting a 30000 acre ranch in those 'Senderos' (sp.?) is not akin to fenced hunting. Those ranchers and directors know every buck on that ranch. Knows their habits probably better than that of their Spouses.
What's the difference? Nothing. Both can be considered Fair Chase regardless of P&Y or B&C bylaws, YMMV.
Maybe ranch or Fenced hunting isn't for you but for you to cast your unrequested opinion on what is fair chase isn't fair the the Post or the Author.
Yep, my $.02
