pa antler restrictions yes or no?
12-07-2008 | 08:33 AM
#161
Nontypical Buck
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
Oh and we covered a lot of ground in 2f and saw ZERO yote tracks in the snow. That was a big change from past years.
They musta moved to your place this year or something. Sorry but you can keep 'em. I don't want 'em back.
They musta moved to your place this year or something. Sorry but you can keep 'em. I don't want 'em back.
12-07-2008 | 08:44 AM
#162
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From: PA.
RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
ORIGINAL: livbucks
Sproul, you are wrong in my case. I hunted public land and saw exactly one hunter outside of our party the entire trip.
This buck was actually not pushed. He and another smaller buck were running a late doe all around the valley. We saw a total of 5 bucks on the trip in that valley. I passed on a 1.5 year old 7 point that was sniffing for does at first light opening day. My brother finally got a shot at the pictured buck on second day.
We also saw a group of 3 does and 4 fawns and one half spike.
Sproul, you are wrong in my case. I hunted public land and saw exactly one hunter outside of our party the entire trip.
This buck was actually not pushed. He and another smaller buck were running a late doe all around the valley. We saw a total of 5 bucks on the trip in that valley. I passed on a 1.5 year old 7 point that was sniffing for does at first light opening day. My brother finally got a shot at the pictured buck on second day.
We also saw a group of 3 does and 4 fawns and one half spike.
areas i hunt get a lot of pressure, my comments are ONLY IN AREAS ON PUBLICLAND IN WMU 2G THAT I AM FAMILIAR WITH OVER 47 YEARS AT IT.
12-07-2008 | 08:46 AM
#163
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
ORIGINAL: livbucks
Oh and we covered a lot of ground in 2f and saw ZERO yote tracks in the snow. That was a big change from past years.
They musta moved to your place this year or something. Sorry but you can keep 'em. I don't want 'em back.
Oh and we covered a lot of ground in 2f and saw ZERO yote tracks in the snow. That was a big change from past years.
They musta moved to your place this year or something. Sorry but you can keep 'em. I don't want 'em back.
after hunting is over, if hunters would stay off trails, i believe it will be easy to trap a coyote.
they ARE WALKING PATHS NOW and in daylight.
they are very hungry, for sure.
12-07-2008 | 08:54 AM
#164
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
I will agree there are less deer. There are also less hunters. We heard almost no shooting at all the first day.
The older hunters are either hanging it up or not walking far off of the dirt roads. There are no young kids out there so it will stay with the trend. Seems a shame but we have a better hunting experience with fewer hunters. I am beginning to enjoy rifle season again up at camp. I still feel nostalgic about the old days of full camps up there, but times change and I can do nothing but change with it. It's not all bad, just different.
The older hunters are either hanging it up or not walking far off of the dirt roads. There are no young kids out there so it will stay with the trend. Seems a shame but we have a better hunting experience with fewer hunters. I am beginning to enjoy rifle season again up at camp. I still feel nostalgic about the old days of full camps up there, but times change and I can do nothing but change with it. It's not all bad, just different.
12-07-2008 | 09:45 AM
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
You dis on the GOOD OLD DAYS mentality but apparently never had the chance to experience a real deer camp that many of us old guys enjoyed.You just can't comprehend the fact that some guy would actually get enjoyment from shooting a spike not realizing that the size of the horns didn't really matter.Go ahead and watch your TV fantasy shows and dream on that some day you wont have to leave PA to kill that 180 class buck and sooner or later you'll have to snap back into reality and realize it will never happen in your lifetime.Look at the stats from you beloved PGC and realize that for the most part all your doing is prolonging the inevitable for a 1 1/2 year old forkhorn by a year or two and most will never make it any furhter.I worked my ass off this year and was fortunate to kill one of those 10 points,but am no prouder of that deer than any of the other buck I have been fortunate enough to kill along the way.
I'm talking about growing up in your mindset on deer and deer hunting. That there's maybe more to it than popping the first baby buck that mindlessly wanders by your stand.....both for the health of the herd and the habitat and increasing the level of experience for the hunter. Lets just keep running that same huge deer herd out there into a mature forest and let them eat themselves out of house and home and whack every 1.5yr old buck we can get in our sights because that's MY tradition.
If you guys have never seen aREAL deer herd, chasing does, with a nice mix of mature and young deer.....deer being deer ,than you have no idea what you are talking about. My life experience hunting isn't limited to popping 5pts every year in a northern deer camp because that's the way ot's been done for 100yrs. LOL
You say you killed a 10pt this year but it holds exactly the same value to you and you are as proud of that deer as any of the small ones you've taken.
Let me ask you this..........and ANY of you guys who would just as soon shoot a spike as a 150" 10pt.
Do you have any deer mounted in your home? If you do, which one or ones is it?
Is it the biggest you've shot? Or is it the typical scrub buck that you whack every year to say you shot a buck?
If you value EVERY buck equally then I expect you all have EVERY buck mounted on your wall if you have at least one right?
People who are happy drilling spikes don't expect enough of themselves the deer herd or their fellow hunter. It's the best they can do so that's what they shoot. IF there were a good mix of young and old deer running around and the possibility of a good mature buck were actually realistic in this state some tunes would change pretty quickly after the first couple nice ones started dropping.
Which bucks are legendary in those camps? Not Uncle Charlies spike from 1973, it's Grandpa's big 11pt from 1964.
You are all lying to yourself if you think you wouldn't shoot a bigger more mature buck over a smaller one, and if you want to see bigger bucks you have to NOT shoot the smaller ones and your buddy, neighbor, brother, cousin, uncle have to do the same thing.
Ask yourself the question AGAIN. Spike, 4pt, 10pt all standing in a line. Which one do I shoot?
Then tell me you value them all equally after you shoot the 10pt.
I did exactly what you describe, I shot small bucks I enjoy deer camp (Clinton Co.) but our group has grown up mentally and guess what? We're seeing more and bigger bucks and passing the ltitle ones, so the next time you whack a 10pt on state ground maybe you can thank me and my group for letting that deer walk as a yr old 5pt, or a 2yr old 8pt.
I really do feel sorry for the guys who are incapable of expecting more or who don't care to from themselves or their hunting experience.
Hey Bluebird..........I see you dodged the question AGAIN yourself.
What one are you shooting. You turned around and they are all standing there in a row broadside.
Spike (if legal) , 4pt, and a big 150" 4yr old 10pt.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU SHOOTING?
Those of you fighting me on this argument of I'm just as happy shooting that spike better not shoot the 10pt.........that deer is only for the antler crazy, trophy hunter.
12-07-2008 | 09:57 AM
#166
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
It's about making us better hunters and hunting for the experience not just killing for the sake of killing.
f we no longer have an AR, should we then go back to the 3 days of doe after Buck with rifle season or just start killing every deer that walks in front of us all season long
12-07-2008 | 10:34 AM
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
I'm talking about growing up in your mindset on deer and deer hunting.
Ask yourself the question AGAIN. Spike, 4pt, 10pt all standing in a line. Which one do I shoot?
Then tell me you value them all equally after you shoot the 10pt.
Then tell me you value them all equally after you shoot the 10pt.
ARs have done nothing to improve the health of our herd and have ruined the buck hunting experience for thousands of hunters, for the benefit of a few greedy trophy hunters and to get hunters to kill more doe.
12-07-2008 | 11:39 AM
#168
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
First of all Mr.Moderator,I don't pop the first buck that comes along,I've let many walk past and have come home empty handed as a result.But I don't base my sucess on the results of how many points it has.Not all of us are fortunate enough financially to go to states like Nebraska and such to hunt.Some of us have to be satisfied with staying at home and hunting the state we live in.I also personally think it's unfair to compare pur state to others and our situation to others and to expect this state to become one of those simply because we want it to.You and everone else with any sense at all know this state deer herd lacks the genetics,food sources, and hunting pressures to ever compete withe the Kansas,Iowa, and Illinois of this world.No,I don't have a mounted head on my wall,never even considered one because a trophy in my mind doesn't have to have a headfull of horns.Please feel free to show me these mature bucks that this AR has prodeced,feel free to show me this public ground where I can kill this 10 point,feel free to show me "more and bigger" bucks we're seeing now and i'll be happy to look.It only makes sense that if you place any type of AR it will immediately increase the average size of bucks takes,but feel free to show me what other benefits it has given us.Please do not tell me the the only reason the PGC has instituted this program is so we all can brag about the bigger deer we are killing because I sure don't see any other positive results.If the habitat is so poor,why ? Why has it been allowed to get that way ? Why don't we focus on that problem and harvest much of the mature timber that's available ?Let me ask you a question, If there are 3 buck standing together, a 6 year old 4 point ,a 4 year old 6 point,and a 2 year old 10 point,which one would you shoot ????
12-07-2008 | 11:53 AM
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
We want to keep on keepin' on with what we think has been working for the last 2 generations which is mismanaged nonsense.
Isn't it amazing how the two previous generations were pure idiots (including our beloved PGC) and todays generation have become so brilliant so fast
Isn't it amazing how the two previous generations were pure idiots (including our beloved PGC) and todays generation have become so brilliant so fast
12-07-2008 | 11:59 AM
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
I never said Everyone needs to kill a 6 or 7 year old deer, I never mentioned 180" fantasy bucks.........you guys hear what you want to hear because you feel it's an insult to your old way of thinking.
I'm talking about growing up in your mindset on deer and deer hunting. That there's maybe more to it than popping the first baby buck that mindlessly wanders by your stand.....both for the health of the herd and the habitat and increasing the level of experience for the hunter. Lets just keep running that same huge deer herd out there into a mature forest and let them eat themselves out of house and home and whack every 1.5yr old buck we can get in our sights because that's MY tradition.
If you guys have never seen aREAL deer herd, chasing does, with a nice mix of mature and young deer.....deer being deer ,than you have no idea what you are talking about. My life experience hunting isn't limited to popping 5pts every year in a northern deer camp because that's the way ot's been done for 100yrs. LOL
You say you killed a 10pt this year but it holds exactly the same value to you and you are as proud of that deer as any of the small ones you've taken.
Let me ask you this..........and ANY of you guys who would just as soon shoot a spike as a 150" 10pt.
Do you have any deer mounted in your home? If you do, which one or ones is it?
Is it the biggest you've shot? Or is it the typical scrub buck that you whack every year to say you shot a buck?
If you value EVERY buck equally then I expect you all have EVERY buck mounted on your wall if you have at least one right?
People who are happy drilling spikes don't expect enough of themselves the deer herd or their fellow hunter. It's the best they can do so that's what they shoot. IF there were a good mix of young and old deer running around and the possibility of a good mature buck were actually realistic in this state some tunes would change pretty quickly after the first couple nice ones started dropping.
Which bucks are legendary in those camps? Not Uncle Charlies spike from 1973, it's Grandpa's big 11pt from 1964.
You are all lying to yourself if you think you wouldn't shoot a bigger more mature buck over a smaller one, and if you want to see bigger bucks you have to NOT shoot the smaller ones and your buddy, neighbor, brother, cousin, uncle have to do the same thing.
Ask yourself the question AGAIN. Spike, 4pt, 10pt all standing in a line. Which one do I shoot?
Then tell me you value them all equally after you shoot the 10pt.
I did exactly what you describe, I shot small bucks I enjoy deer camp (Clinton Co.) but our group has grown up mentally and guess what? We're seeing more and bigger bucks and passing the ltitle ones, so the next time you whack a 10pt on state ground maybe you can thank me and my group for letting that deer walk as a yr old 5pt, or a 2yr old 8pt.
I really do feel sorry for the guys who are incapable of expecting more or who don't care to from themselves or their hunting experience.
Hey Bluebird..........I see you dodged the question AGAIN yourself.
What one are you shooting. You turned around and they are all standing there in a row broadside.
Spike (if legal) , 4pt, and a big 150" 4yr old 10pt.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU SHOOTING?
Those of you fighting me on this argument of I'm just as happy shooting that spike better not shoot the 10pt.........that deer is only for the antler crazy, trophy hunter.
You dis on the GOOD OLD DAYS mentality but apparently never had the chance to experience a real deer camp that many of us old guys enjoyed.You just can't comprehend the fact that some guy would actually get enjoyment from shooting a spike not realizing that the size of the horns didn't really matter.Go ahead and watch your TV fantasy shows and dream on that some day you wont have to leave PA to kill that 180 class buck and sooner or later you'll have to snap back into reality and realize it will never happen in your lifetime.Look at the stats from you beloved PGC and realize that for the most part all your doing is prolonging the inevitable for a 1 1/2 year old forkhorn by a year or two and most will never make it any furhter.I worked my ass off this year and was fortunate to kill one of those 10 points,but am no prouder of that deer than any of the other buck I have been fortunate enough to kill along the way.
I'm talking about growing up in your mindset on deer and deer hunting. That there's maybe more to it than popping the first baby buck that mindlessly wanders by your stand.....both for the health of the herd and the habitat and increasing the level of experience for the hunter. Lets just keep running that same huge deer herd out there into a mature forest and let them eat themselves out of house and home and whack every 1.5yr old buck we can get in our sights because that's MY tradition.
If you guys have never seen aREAL deer herd, chasing does, with a nice mix of mature and young deer.....deer being deer ,than you have no idea what you are talking about. My life experience hunting isn't limited to popping 5pts every year in a northern deer camp because that's the way ot's been done for 100yrs. LOL
You say you killed a 10pt this year but it holds exactly the same value to you and you are as proud of that deer as any of the small ones you've taken.
Let me ask you this..........and ANY of you guys who would just as soon shoot a spike as a 150" 10pt.
Do you have any deer mounted in your home? If you do, which one or ones is it?
Is it the biggest you've shot? Or is it the typical scrub buck that you whack every year to say you shot a buck?
If you value EVERY buck equally then I expect you all have EVERY buck mounted on your wall if you have at least one right?
People who are happy drilling spikes don't expect enough of themselves the deer herd or their fellow hunter. It's the best they can do so that's what they shoot. IF there were a good mix of young and old deer running around and the possibility of a good mature buck were actually realistic in this state some tunes would change pretty quickly after the first couple nice ones started dropping.
Which bucks are legendary in those camps? Not Uncle Charlies spike from 1973, it's Grandpa's big 11pt from 1964.
You are all lying to yourself if you think you wouldn't shoot a bigger more mature buck over a smaller one, and if you want to see bigger bucks you have to NOT shoot the smaller ones and your buddy, neighbor, brother, cousin, uncle have to do the same thing.
Ask yourself the question AGAIN. Spike, 4pt, 10pt all standing in a line. Which one do I shoot?
Then tell me you value them all equally after you shoot the 10pt.
I did exactly what you describe, I shot small bucks I enjoy deer camp (Clinton Co.) but our group has grown up mentally and guess what? We're seeing more and bigger bucks and passing the ltitle ones, so the next time you whack a 10pt on state ground maybe you can thank me and my group for letting that deer walk as a yr old 5pt, or a 2yr old 8pt.
I really do feel sorry for the guys who are incapable of expecting more or who don't care to from themselves or their hunting experience.
Hey Bluebird..........I see you dodged the question AGAIN yourself.
What one are you shooting. You turned around and they are all standing there in a row broadside.
Spike (if legal) , 4pt, and a big 150" 4yr old 10pt.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU SHOOTING?
Those of you fighting me on this argument of I'm just as happy shooting that spike better not shoot the 10pt.........that deer is only for the antler crazy, trophy hunter.
Actually I do keep all my antlers from my deers. They go on the wall in the shed. If I do get a large 20+ spread deer with heavy mass then i would get it mounted because it is a very big deer to me. But I am not out looking for a huge deer to hang on my wall. I do not make soup out of my antlers.So the size doesn't matter. Just getting a buck of any size is good enough for me. I can shoot a single antler spike and still be more man than any of them trophy hunters.I think that is most trophy hunters problems are. Lack of confidence so they think a big antlered deer will make them feel big. Well it doesn't boys. That is all you all are. Boys with ego problems who hunt for antlers.