What 3 suggestions would you make to PGC
12-27-2006 | 08:33 AM
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RE: What 3 suggestions would you make to PGC
I find it hard to believe that it would work better than our system.With our system,they can at least get a percentage of people that aren't sending in their report cards.With their system,they have no idea how many people took deer strait home and processed their deer.
We'll never get an exact count of how many deer were killed.Even ifwe had a system where everyone had to report whether they were successful or not,there's no way to be 100% accurate.It will always be an estimate but at least now,they have an idea of how many people don't report their kills.We'll never know how many deer are shot and not tagged,poached or shot and not recovered.On top of that you'll still get the brain children that will report false harvests in an attempt to skew the results.Any way you look at it,every agency will always have to estimate the harvest.That blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the hunters who are too irrrsponsible to report their harvest,not on the PGC.
We'll never get an exact count of how many deer were killed.Even ifwe had a system where everyone had to report whether they were successful or not,there's no way to be 100% accurate.It will always be an estimate but at least now,they have an idea of how many people don't report their kills.We'll never know how many deer are shot and not tagged,poached or shot and not recovered.On top of that you'll still get the brain children that will report false harvests in an attempt to skew the results.Any way you look at it,every agency will always have to estimate the harvest.That blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the hunters who are too irrrsponsible to report their harvest,not on the PGC.
12-27-2006 | 09:04 AM
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RE: What 3 suggestions would you make to PGC
Youalways find it hard to agree with anything that implies that the PGC does not walk on water so it is not suprising that you "find it hard to believe that it would work better than our system." Naturally, you offer no support.
If the reporting rate continues to fall and goes to 29%, would that be good enough for you? How about 9%? Do you have any limit before admitting that aPGC system has failed?
If the reporting rate continues to fall and goes to 29%, would that be good enough for you? How about 9%? Do you have any limit before admitting that aPGC system has failed?
12-27-2006 | 09:59 AM
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RE: What 3 suggestions would you make to PGC
Find fault with my last post?Where wasI wrong?At least this state's current method has a way to calculate how many deer go unreported.How do the other states come up with that figure?
What support can I possibly offer.I'm one of the 40% that always fills out and sends in my report cards.I can't get 60% of the hunters to do it.Tell me,what can I do to offer support?
What support can I possibly offer.I'm one of the 40% that always fills out and sends in my report cards.I can't get 60% of the hunters to do it.Tell me,what can I do to offer support?
12-27-2006 | 10:55 AM
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RE: What 3 suggestions would you make to PGC
ORIGINAL: DougE
I find it hard to believe that it would work better than our system.With our system,they can at least get a percentage of people that aren't sending in their report cards.With their system,they have no idea how many people took deer strait home and processed their deer.
We'll never get an exact count of how many deer were killed.Even ifwe had a system where everyone had to report whether they were successful or not,there's no way to be 100% accurate.It will always be an estimate but at least now,they have an idea of how many people don't report their kills.We'll never know how many deer are shot and not tagged,poached or shot and not recovered.On top of that you'll still get the brain children that will report false harvests in an attempt to skew the results.Any way you look at it,every agency will always have to estimate the harvest.That blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the hunters who are too irrrsponsible to report their harvest,not on the PGC.
I find it hard to believe that it would work better than our system.With our system,they can at least get a percentage of people that aren't sending in their report cards.With their system,they have no idea how many people took deer strait home and processed their deer.
We'll never get an exact count of how many deer were killed.Even ifwe had a system where everyone had to report whether they were successful or not,there's no way to be 100% accurate.It will always be an estimate but at least now,they have an idea of how many people don't report their kills.We'll never know how many deer are shot and not tagged,poached or shot and not recovered.On top of that you'll still get the brain children that will report false harvests in an attempt to skew the results.Any way you look at it,every agency will always have to estimate the harvest.That blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the hunters who are too irrrsponsible to report their harvest,not on the PGC.
DougE,
you are probably right that a system like Illinois has still wouldnt get em all so how about this... At seasons end, every hunter has to call one more time and make a season report or they either dont get a license next year or they pay a penalty to get it. Sure, some will still lie and some will forget anyway but it would get closer.
Sure we have the calcualted reporting rates but they also dont take into consideration the guys who process their own deer and dont send in the cards. A problem you find with the call in system. I've not seen anywhere that they have a way to account for that.
12-27-2006 | 12:02 PM
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RE: What 3 suggestions would you make to PGC
Deerfly,I agree
BTBOWHUNTER,the actual kill is probably higher than they calculate because hunters that use a processor are probably more likely to report their kill because they know they may be checked.Don't forget,the PGC also checksdeer from random hunters and from deer hanging at camps.Most hunters probably never realized their deer were checked.
No syestem is perfect and no systen will ever be able to get a 100% accurate estimate.What's more imortant is harvest trends and the present system shows that just fine.
BTBOWHUNTER,the actual kill is probably higher than they calculate because hunters that use a processor are probably more likely to report their kill because they know they may be checked.Don't forget,the PGC also checksdeer from random hunters and from deer hanging at camps.Most hunters probably never realized their deer were checked.
No syestem is perfect and no systen will ever be able to get a 100% accurate estimate.What's more imortant is harvest trends and the present system shows that just fine.
12-27-2006 | 02:38 PM
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Doug, have you ever considered that the number of REPORTED cards is actually a fairly accurate figure of the number of deer killed?
Everyone I know sends a card in. You send a card in and I'll wager everyone you know sends a card in. So just maybe the number of returned report cards sent in is a very good figure for the real PA deerkill number.
How can anyone afford the PGC any credibility when they were the ones who told us PA had 1.6 million deer? Oh yeah, I almost forgot,...and they own those deer also, all 1.6 million of them.
You sure your not a Deputy Game warden?
Everyone I know sends a card in. You send a card in and I'll wager everyone you know sends a card in. So just maybe the number of returned report cards sent in is a very good figure for the real PA deerkill number.
How can anyone afford the PGC any credibility when they were the ones who told us PA had 1.6 million deer? Oh yeah, I almost forgot,...and they own those deer also, all 1.6 million of them.
You sure your not a Deputy Game warden?
12-27-2006 | 03:01 PM
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RE: What 3 suggestions would you make to PGC
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Here's an idea for better reporting from the state of Illinois. It's been in effect for two years and seems to be working very well. You tag your deer just like always but by 10PM on the day of the harvest (or recovery) you must call in to an automated system and get a confirmation number. Processors, taxidermists etc dont dare touch the deer without that confirmation number and your tag is invalid if it doesnt have that number on the next day.
I'm sure that it's not 100% but it works a whole lot better than our system.
Here's an idea for better reporting from the state of Illinois. It's been in effect for two years and seems to be working very well. You tag your deer just like always but by 10PM on the day of the harvest (or recovery) you must call in to an automated system and get a confirmation number. Processors, taxidermists etc dont dare touch the deer without that confirmation number and your tag is invalid if it doesnt have that number on the next day.
I'm sure that it's not 100% but it works a whole lot better than our system.
12-27-2006 | 03:43 PM
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RE: What 3 suggestions would you make to PGC
Crazyace,don't you understand how they come up with the reporting rate?No,it never occured to me that the actual number of cards turned in was the actual number of deer killed.When did you turn in your last report card?
Do your or anyone else in the USP have any idea how many deer we have?I saw the latest USP figures and they were simply laughable.It's kind of ironic that anyone from the USP would talk of credibility.
Do your or anyone else in the USP have any idea how many deer we have?I saw the latest USP figures and they were simply laughable.It's kind of ironic that anyone from the USP would talk of credibility.