When you start talking about groups that small, it matters how you measure. Is he talking about the outside measurement of the group, or is he measuring from the "center" of the hole from each round. When you want a tight group, what is considered center tends to shift a bit. That's why I measure from the outside edge to the outside edge. Also, how many rounds does he consider a group? Does he discount "fliers"? Two rounds isn't a group, and there's no such thing as a flier.

Let me see if I understand this correctly....Three guns that shoot 1/2 in. groups consistantly....at 200 yds........correct?? Wow. I agree with Paul...
I'd pay $20 to see that done. Consistantly.......In fact, I would pay $20 just to smell an empty shell that helped duplicate it...........

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I have a 243 ULW, a 7mm-08 SPM, and 338-06 SBGM All of them are pretty much the same thing.

I don't get it when people say they don't shoot well. My 7mm-08 will no joke consistently put 140BT's inside .50 at 200yrds sometimes better. The 338-06 and 243 are right there with it.


There's a farmer down the road here who uses some kind of .30/'06. He coudn't tell me the make or model. However his rifle performs a lot like this guy's, if he is to be believed. Of course, he has his own rifle range, and I sometimes suspect his "yards" are more likely "feet" instead.....

PM xpatriot, he has the rifle and skills to do it. His rifle isn't exactly off-the-shelf, but I think he could do it. If he can pull it off, all it will cost you is a trip to southern Mississippi to watch.

No way! To many variables at 200 yards. I have know doubt that modern rifles are cable of this, with hand loads, but you would have to have absolute perfect conditions to accomplish this.Your bullets would have to exact size, weight, etc. your rest would have to solid as a rock, There could not be any wind at all!He may have gotten lucky once, but consistently with 3 rifles?

I see everyone is discussing the rifles, but I doubt factory rifles will do what the individual claims. If so, then the bench rest competitors that that spend alot of money on their rifles are in deep trouble. Now realistically speaking What optics is this person using on these factory rifles. Most people have no idea about subtension of a reticle. I know of very few optics that are capable of that type of precision. I have a leupold scope that is only capable of 3/4 MOA and I paid well over $1000.00. I know a lot of people think that because they have a high magnifing scope they can shoot good groups, but a factory rifle and the average optic and factory ammo and to make a statement like that would only be out of pure ignorance. Not that I am attacking anyone or saying anything degrading about anyone. Only stating the truth.

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I'm not saying that it can't be done. I am quite sure there are people that can pull it off, I probably know a few. However the chances of finding a person that has the skill AND the equipment to pull it off are probably pretty high.

It is not uncommon for people exagerate their ability or equipment performance on the internet.

And the people I do know that could pull this off I don't think would have the stones to say they could do it consistently and bet you any kind of real money on it. Because they have been around enough to know that at that distance too many things could effect the shot for a half inch group. Even with the skill and equipment there is still a certain element of luck involved.

My .17HMR is capable of 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards if I am up to it. I wouldn't bet money on it happening every time though. 1 to 1.5 inch groups consistantly is more like it.

My opinion anyway.

Paul

1/4 MOA and less is a hard bite to chew....i have seen very accurate rifles but consistently that tight @ 200???? WOW!!

BigTiny has an overestimation of my skills as a shooter. I do have a nice rifle. It's a Robar QR in .308. I can do 1/2 inch at 100 with it, but if you stretch it out to 200, that's a different story. Even if I lock it in the bench and use the trigger cheater, there's still that gulf breeze to deal with. Sure, I might get lucky once or twice, but that is far from consistent. I'm afraid I'll have to blow the hooey horn on this one as well.

I measure mine center to center, but I don't guess at the center. Just measure the largest outside span to the edge of the holes, then subtract bullet diameter. That's how BR competitors groups are measures, usually with a micrometer! [8D] Otherwise, even a perfect one hole group from a .308 would still, by your method, measure .308" minimum. You're cheating yourself the way you measure.

Regarding his claim of 1/4 MOA at 200 yards with three factory rifles consistantly. I'll call BS on this claim too. If it is true, he should have bought a PowerBall ticket rather than those rifles! I'm not saying it can't be done, and if he'd have said he had one factory rifle that would do it, I'd have taken his word for it. Three? Not likely.

Mike