Get to the Uphill/Downhill thing, and we've got a whole different story all together. If you look closely at the article TFox posted, it tells you that the arrow speeds change when shooting UP and DOWN hill inversely, which is consistent with the results I get when shooting UP and DOWN hill. If I have a 32yd shot up a 10* angle, I'm holding for 34, the inverse of this same shot, I'm shooting for 30, because at soft angles, the trajectory change is not identical in my experience. Some will say this is a form issue as well, but I believe it's more likely a result of the arrow loosing speed on that attempt to gain altitude, while it's working WITH gravity loosing altitude.

This IS sight paralax.STRAIGHT down and truly straight down is just like right at the arrow when it leaves the bow.

A shot at the bow will need to be shot as if it were 70-80 yards.

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

It doesn't matter to me because the stuff being posted is INTERESTING and, believe it or not, useful ..... it has nothing to do with thread length ...don't be a hater, Don [:-]

ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr

Don,
I think you really need to look at a trajectory table to see what most of the guys are trying to tell you here. In all honesty, if you really wanted to get the best use out of ONE PIN, you'd be better off to set it up for 28yds or so, and know how it shot at various distances, including out to 40 if that was your fancy. But as was said earlier, even with the FASTEST set-up on the market, you are still going to have considerable drop between 28 and 40yds. If you find you're not having that, then it's very likely a FORM issue that's resulting in arrows flying differently than physiologically possible. Some of those guys on AT are FOS, and I posted the same on the sight, along with a link to a ballistics calculator that they could try if they wanted to see what a physiologically their arrows "SHOULD" be flying like. http://home.att.net/%7Esajackson/ballistics.html This link is assuming the arrow is shot from FLAT ground, at 0* trajectory, so it only takes into affect pure drop, not adding in sight paralax, and ARC, but you can half the number, and they are pretty accurate with what you could expect, considering in archery, we compensate for the first half of that drop when we aim for our target, the other half is in the arrow "dropping" down into our target after it "peaks." I know you got pretty frustrated with this, but in all honesty, unless you have some oddity in form, your bow should NOT be shooting the way you're saying it does.

Get to the Uphill/Downhill thing, and we've got a whole different story all together. If you look closely at the article TFox posted, it tells you that the arrow speeds change when shooting UP and DOWN hill inversely, which is consistent with the results I get when shooting UP and DOWN hill. If I have a 32yd shot up a 10* angle, I'm holding for 34, the inverse of this same shot, I'm shooting for 30, because at soft angles, the trajectory change is not identical in my experience. Some will say this is a form issue as well, but I believe it's more likely a result of the arrow loosing speed on that attempt to gain altitude, while it's working WITH gravity loosing altitude.

I have dead animals to speak for my results as well. A doe that reminded me not to shoot at ALERT animals, because they MOVE, and sometimes A LOT!!!! A BB that got spine punched and his lungs deflated from 38yds (line of sight) while I was about nearly 45ft above him. (see Mercy Killing thread http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3198418&mpage=1 ) Shot was just a touch higher than I'd have liked, but I aimed a couple inches lower than the POI, the deer was quarter-to, laying in a bed, and the shot went through the spine on a diagonal, through 2 vertebrae, and punched lungs. Punching numbers, I held for about 36, but the horizontal distance was closer to 34, makes sense that I hit a couple inches high. At the time, I was fenaggling the position to get the shot anyhow, if you look at the thread, you can see a small shot window I shot the deer through.

ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter

I put it on the archerytalk archery non hunting side too. Guys like me there that must have their bows sighted in higher than they think or a form issue cause they have the same results as me. Some guys are quoting FOC??? weight of the tip???