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Old 05-07-2008 | 09:42 PM
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Did any of you guys see the show where a boy killed another boy (I think drunk driving) The family of the dead boy wanted to forgive the other boy. Thier thought process was why make matters worse and nothing will bring our son back. How do you feel about this?
I would like to add that I am not taking a position on this, just throwing out some food for thought.

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That would be a tough one, and I think I would actually have to be in that situation to make a call like that. I am a christian and I know you are supposed to forgive, but like I said I don't truly know without being in that position....I also hope and pray I don't find myself in that position...
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Old 05-07-2008 | 10:04 PM
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Did the guys son die? If so then it should be 1st degree murder. He knowingly took his son into the woods while under the influence. HE made that decision and should face the max penalty for it. If he didnt die then it should be attemted murder, reckless endangerment, Child neglect, Child abuse, the list could go on for ever.
Regaurdless he should never be allowed hunting privlages again, forever!

I agree that his greatest punishment will be living with this for the rest of his life (and that in its self would suck big time) but, when we began to have a passive out look on crime, thats when crime started going out the roof. Some one has to bare the cross....so be itif it was his first offense. It could have very easily not been HIS son he shot. What if it had been your child he shot?
I believe that stiffer punishment = less crime and this was truely a crime.
As far as forgivness goes, he can be forgiven by those who need to forgive him but, all to often forgivness is misstaken as a "get outa jail free card".

Either way its bad press for us ALL who love to hunt. Dont you love how stories like this one run Nation wide. Yet The stories of the,"Hunter who found and helped the lost hikers back to saftey" dont even make it across town....
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Old 05-07-2008 | 10:13 PM
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I am torn on this one. I am thinking it will get reduced to involuntary manslaughter and we the tax payers will foot the bill for 20 to life so will anything be accomplished?

Here is my take on it. The guy already has to live with the fact he killed his son. I say the Judge decides to run a national campaign through all the magazines we love with a stiff message against drinking and hunting. The adds are paid by this guy going around the country and giving speaches at AA events, seminars and schools so that the message gets out. He must also keep clean for the rest of his life and still do time in a halfway house when he is not on the road promoting hunting safety.
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Old 05-07-2008 | 10:30 PM
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Did the guys son die? If so then it should be 1st degree murder. He knowingly took his son into the woods while under the influence. HE made that decision and should face the max penalty for it. If he didnt die then it should be attemted murder, reckless endangerment, Child neglect, Child abuse, the list could go on for ever.
Regaurdless he should never be allowed hunting privlages again, forever!

I agree that his greatest punishment will be living with this for the rest of his life (and that in its self would suck big time) but, when we began to have a passive out look on crime, thats when crime started going out the roof. Some one has to bare the cross....so be itif it was his first offense. It could have very easily not been HIS son he shot. What if it had been your child he shot?
I believe that stiffer punishment = less crime and this was truely a crime.
As far as forgivness goes, he can be forgiven by those who need to forgive him but, all to often forgivness is misstaken as a "get outa jail free card".

Either way its bad press for us ALL who love to hunt. Dont you love how stories like this one run Nation wide. Yet The stories of the,"Hunter who found and helped the lost hikers back to saftey" dont even make it across town....
excellent post. I guess this was the point of this thread. I believe this topic is much deeper then most have seen it. I don't feel qualified to make these kind of decisions. Like I said before part of me wants to string the guy up and the other part says what good would it do.
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Old 05-07-2008 | 10:48 PM
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I say punish him for the crime he has comited and do it swiftly.
Like I said before part of me wants to string the guy up and the other part says what good would it do.
The good would be that by stringing this guy up, the next guy may think twice before even thinking about going in the woods stoned or drunk. Im not saying to make an example out of him...just holdhim responsable for his actions!

Our legal system is SOOO screwed up it seems that the criminals have more rights than the victims.

If you casterate a sex offender....you think he'd ever do it again???

Im a big "Eye for a Eye" fan!!!!


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Old 05-07-2008 | 10:59 PM
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See, I completely disagree. The second he gets thrown in jail and this all is out of the press we all forget about it. This guy NEEDS to be the poster father for hunting stupidity. If he gets thrown in the clink then his child's death is even more of a waste because we all pay to house his butt in jail.

Make this idiot keep the hunting world reminded by being in anti drinking advertising, make him travel to hunter safety classes around the country and let him cry in front of thousands as he tells them why drinking and hunting do not mix. Let him make an impact that will be felt by thousands for years to come and not thousands while it is the hot news topic that will soon be forgotten.
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Old 05-07-2008 | 11:23 PM
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See, I completely disagree. The second he gets thrown in jail and this all is out of the press we all forget about it. This guy NEEDS to be the poster father for hunting stupidity. If he gets thrown in the clink then his child's death is even more of a waste because we all pay to house his butt in jail.

Make this idiot keep the hunting world reminded by being in anti drinking advertising, make him travel to hunter safety classes around the country and let him cry in front of thousands as he tells them why drinking and hunting do not mix. Let him make an impact that will be felt by thousands for years to come and not thousands while it is the hot news topic that will soon be forgotten.
Video his testimony and play it at the hunters ed classes for years to come. Make him the poster child for all the stuff you mentioned. But dont let the crime go unpunished. It totaly sends the wrong message for ALL crimes. Thats whats wrong with our legal system....passive agressive teaches no lessons and doesnt hold him responsable for what he has done. IMO
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Old 05-08-2008 | 02:26 PM
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it would depend on how he lived his life as a whole before the killing. If he was always a scumbag, lock him up and pop his eyeballs out with the key. if this was an isolated mistake, lifetime hunting ban, a few years in jail, counseling to help him get over his mistake so he could be productive later in life.
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Old 05-08-2008 | 02:38 PM
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At .06 bac, I don't think this guy was impaired. He may be an alcoholic judging by what they found in his truck, but by no means was he drunk. This guy should lose his hunting rights, spend some time in jail and have to go thru treatment. Community service of some type will be ordered by whichever judge gets this case. Like I posted earlier, he'll most likely be out of jail/treatment in 6 months or less and be on probation with a conviction on his record and won't even be able to own a firearm.
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Old 05-08-2008 | 02:45 PM
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I don't condone hunting under the influance If you kill someone when you are druck either it be with a vehicle or a gun you should face serious time.
If you get caught hunting under the influance it should be like a drunk driving. Loss of hunting.
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