Question for "mature buck" advocates
03-05-2008, 02:26 PM
#111
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: ICALL2MUCH
For the people who say "move to where they live" are completely missing the point of the post.
MATURE, means age. It does not mean antlers. AGE can be granted my letting little ones walk.
MOST of the great things in life take time. Do robbers shoot children? Or do they shoot the parents? It is not natural for humans to kill things that are young.
Obviously, deer densities are different all over the country, everyone knows that. Perception is reality. When you harvest does, and let the little ones walk, you fertilize your potential dream. If you would shoot a bigger buck instead of a small buck, why ever shoot a small buck? Does taste better, and again you are just making it harder to do what you actually want!
As has been said throughout this thread, to each his own!
For the people who say "move to where they live" are completely missing the point of the post.
MATURE, means age. It does not mean antlers. AGE can be granted my letting little ones walk.
MOST of the great things in life take time. Do robbers shoot children? Or do they shoot the parents? It is not natural for humans to kill things that are young.
Obviously, deer densities are different all over the country, everyone knows that. Perception is reality. When you harvest does, and let the little ones walk, you fertilize your potential dream. If you would shoot a bigger buck instead of a small buck, why ever shoot a small buck? Does taste better, and again you are just making it harder to do what you actually want!
As has been said throughout this thread, to each his own!
Second of all................. pretty weirdo analogy.
Other than that you're OK.
03-05-2008, 02:29 PM
#112
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Did you live here????
4 1/2+ x
3 1/2 xx
2 1/2 xxxx
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I have hunted herds like this as well.[&o] This is what you get when you "if it's brown it's down" hunt. Every season 80% or more of the bucks killed are 1 1/2. Pretty soon you don't have hardly any mature bucks. The ones you do have are super cautious, mostly nocturnal at the slightest hint of human presence. Not a very fun hunt if you expect to possibly get a glimpse of "old Mossy-Horns". I stopped hunting areas like this and searched out new areas that were better. If you were to let the little ones go or had antler restrictions in place you can see how you'd increase the number of older bucks.
3 1/2 xx
2 1/2 xxxx
1 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have hunted herds like this as well.[&o] This is what you get when you "if it's brown it's down" hunt. Every season 80% or more of the bucks killed are 1 1/2. Pretty soon you don't have hardly any mature bucks. The ones you do have are super cautious, mostly nocturnal at the slightest hint of human presence. Not a very fun hunt if you expect to possibly get a glimpse of "old Mossy-Horns". I stopped hunting areas like this and searched out new areas that were better. If you were to let the little ones go or had antler restrictions in place you can see how you'd increase the number of older bucks.
03-05-2008, 02:46 PM
#114
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
I was in the same boat as Greg and it is still brown its down up in Northern, Wi. I now have plenty of spots closer to home for bowhunting and pretty much only Gun hunt up North.
The gun hunt is pretty much a family thing and the only time we all can get together and just let loose. We have 2 cabins and Thousands of county and Timber Company land at
our disposal. It's our Vacation.
The gun hunt is pretty much a family thing and the only time we all can get together and just let loose. We have 2 cabins and Thousands of county and Timber Company land at
our disposal. It's our Vacation.
03-05-2008, 02:48 PM
#116
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: mnbirddog
.....just want to understand why some guys think the states should mandate hunters to only target bigger bucks I guess.
.....just want to understand why some guys think the states should mandate hunters to only target bigger bucks I guess.
So if youallow "any buck" to be killed, you'll end up with nothing but small bucks in your herd.When I started deerhunting I had the typical mind set of a beginner, I had to kill "a buck". After enough years, I've come to realize that I don't "need" tokill a buck every year.I guess this comes with age.
03-05-2008, 02:49 PM
#117
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
You know you can sell that new gun of yours to me at a deep discount then go buy a new bow.[8D]
at a deep discount then go buy a new bow.[8D]
ORIGINAL: GregH
You know, I've been wanting a new bow for a couple of years now, but I just can't find one that feels as good or as smooth as what I currently have. Speed is not an issue for me as I have a fairly long DL. I prefer tohunt with 4 fixed pins and don't want them sitting right on top of each other. I like 275 with fixed BHs. One of these days I'llget one!
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
Thanks..like I said just curious. It's actually cool to see someone who doesn't have every new gadget and still gets it done, with a favorite older model bow.
ORIGINAL: GregH
I've talked about this before........ I shot for HCA for 7 years and still own 4 of them. My #1 hunting bow is a 1997 HCA Max Force, 66 lbs. It shoots 2413 XX78s with 85 gr Wasp SST Hammers @ 275 fps. 30" DL. Archers Choice F.O. 4-pin sight. Golden Premier prong rest and I use a Winns-Freeflight release (throw back from my 84# days). I absolutely love this bow!
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
As a side question kinda off topic. GregH what bow do you shoot? No reason for asking other than curiosity. I never remember you mentioning much about your equipment. How bout a run-down Bow..sight..etc.
Again no agenda just pure curiosity.
As a side question kinda off topic. GregH what bow do you shoot? No reason for asking other than curiosity. I never remember you mentioning much about your equipment. How bout a run-down Bow..sight..etc.
Again no agenda just pure curiosity.
03-05-2008, 02:53 PM
#119
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
I think another misconception is that those who say "let em grow" automatically want a mature buck behind every tree. Hardly the case, I think most just want a legitimate chance of seeing and having the opportunity to pursue mature bucks. In MANY, MANY places thier numbers are just so few. In places where there are huntable numbers, it is still far from a cake walktoactually get one.
03-05-2008, 02:57 PM
#120
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: James Vee
Those pictures posted of all of the dinks lined up in that roomlook like awall of shame.
Those pictures posted of all of the dinks lined up in that roomlook like awall of shame.
