Question for "mature buck" advocates
03-05-2008, 01:47 PM
#101
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
Hey don't let us interupt your little family reunion.. 
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What you doing here?
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HEY POPS.. if you are on respond to this!!!! IIGHT HOMES!!!
HEY POPS.. if you are on respond to this!!!! IIGHT HOMES!!!
03-05-2008, 01:52 PM
#102
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
See Gus thats where you lost me..it's the challenge of taking a buck with a "trophy" set of horns.
The horns (antlers for purists) mean nothing alone
and a challenge without a prize that you desire, is a challenge to whom?
The horns (antlers for purists) mean nothing alone
and a challenge without a prize that you desire, is a challenge to whom?
If the challenge is "easier" is the prize as desirable?
It seems to me that if it were all about the challenge of killing a mature whitetails then wewould not have many advocating to let em go to make it easier to do. Are you not just wanting to stack the odds in your favorto win the prize?
03-05-2008, 01:52 PM
#103
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
Thanks..like I said just curious. It's actually cool to see someone who doesn't have every new gadget and still gets it done, with a favorite older model bow.
ORIGINAL: GregH
I've talked about this before........ I shot for HCA for 7 years and still own 4 of them. My #1 hunting bow is a 1997 HCA Max Force, 66 lbs. It shoots 2413 XX78s with 85 gr Wasp SST Hammers @ 275 fps. 30" DL. Archers Choice F.O. 4-pin sight. Golden Premier prong rest and I use a Winns-Freeflight release (throw back from my 84# days). I absolutely love this bow!
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
As a side question kinda off topic. GregH what bow do you shoot? No reason for asking other than curiosity. I never remember you mentioning much about your equipment. How bout a run-down Bow..sight..etc.
Again no agenda just pure curiosity.
As a side question kinda off topic. GregH what bow do you shoot? No reason for asking other than curiosity. I never remember you mentioning much about your equipment. How bout a run-down Bow..sight..etc.
Again no agenda just pure curiosity.
03-05-2008, 01:55 PM
#104
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
It's actually cool to see someone who doesn't have every new gadget and still gets it done, with a favorite older model bow.
It's actually cool to see someone who doesn't have every new gadget and still gets it done, with a favorite older model bow.
As for the debate on 'trophy' some very good points have been made. I think everyone is right, but the multiple points of veiw just cannot allow everyone to agree. Above, all...have FUN. if you can do that and abide by game laws, I would be proud to call you a fellow bowhunter.
03-05-2008, 02:01 PM
#105
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
No, I would not rather shoot a lesser buck, I would shoot a doe first. I am a trophy hunter first, and a meat hunter second. I have the chance almost every time I am in the stand to shoot a buck. I usually have 3 or 4 young bucks travel by me during the course of 1 hunt. I prefer to pass them and let them have a chance to grow into mature bucks. I realize that someone else may not share that opinion, and may shoot one of those bucks that I passed, but that's the chanceI prefer totake.I would rather not shoot a buck for 2 or 3 years, until I see one that I think is worth taking, and fill the freezer with does.I don't knock anyone who isn't a trophy hunter though. If it makes you happy, then that's all that matters.
03-05-2008, 02:08 PM
#106
Typical Buck
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
For the people who say "move to where they live" are completely missing the point of the post.
MATURE, means age. It does not mean antlers. AGE can be granted my letting little ones walk.
MOST of the great things in life take time. Do robbers shoot children? Or do they shoot the parents? It is not natural for humans to kill things that are young.
Obviously, deer densities are different all over the country, everyone knows that. Perception is reality. When you harvest does, and let the little ones walk, you fertilize your potential dream. If you would shoot a bigger buck instead of a small buck, why ever shoot a small buck? Does taste better, and again you are just making it harder to do what you actually want!
As has been said throughout this thread, to each his own!
MATURE, means age. It does not mean antlers. AGE can be granted my letting little ones walk.
MOST of the great things in life take time. Do robbers shoot children? Or do they shoot the parents? It is not natural for humans to kill things that are young.
Obviously, deer densities are different all over the country, everyone knows that. Perception is reality. When you harvest does, and let the little ones walk, you fertilize your potential dream. If you would shoot a bigger buck instead of a small buck, why ever shoot a small buck? Does taste better, and again you are just making it harder to do what you actually want!
As has been said throughout this thread, to each his own!
03-05-2008, 02:17 PM
#107
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
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Do robbers shoot children? Or do they shoot the parents? It is not natural for humans to kill things that are young.
Do robbers shoot children? Or do they shoot the parents? It is not natural for humans to kill things that are young.
03-05-2008, 02:19 PM
#108
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
As for the debate on 'trophy' some very good points have been made. I think everyone is right, but the multiple points of veiw just cannot allow everyone to agree. Above, all...have FUN. if you can do that and abide by game laws, I would be proud to call you a fellow bowhunter.
03-05-2008, 02:21 PM
#109
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
I hope this works.........
Good buck age structure:
6 1/2+ xxx
51/2 xxxx
41/2xxxxxxx
31/2 xxxxxxxxxx
21/2 xxxxxxxxxxx
1 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have hunted herds with an age structure almost like this. It makes fun and exciting to experience. This is what you get when you "let them go to let them grow".
Bad buck age structure:
4 1/2+ x
3 1/2 xx
2 1/2 xxxx
1 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have hunted herds like this as well.[&o] This is what you get when you "if it's brown it's down" hunt. Every season 80% or more of the bucks killed are 1 1/2. Pretty soon you don't have hardly any mature bucks. The ones you do have are super cautious, mostly nocturnal at the slightest hint of human presence. Not a very fun hunt if you expect to possibly get a glimpse of "old Mossy-Horns". I stopped hunting areas like this and searched out new areas that were better. If you were to let the little ones go or had antler restrictions in place you can see how you'd increase the number of older bucks.
Good buck age structure:
6 1/2+ xxx
51/2 xxxx
41/2xxxxxxx
31/2 xxxxxxxxxx
21/2 xxxxxxxxxxx
1 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have hunted herds with an age structure almost like this. It makes fun and exciting to experience. This is what you get when you "let them go to let them grow".
Bad buck age structure:
4 1/2+ x
3 1/2 xx
2 1/2 xxxx
1 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have hunted herds like this as well.[&o] This is what you get when you "if it's brown it's down" hunt. Every season 80% or more of the bucks killed are 1 1/2. Pretty soon you don't have hardly any mature bucks. The ones you do have are super cautious, mostly nocturnal at the slightest hint of human presence. Not a very fun hunt if you expect to possibly get a glimpse of "old Mossy-Horns". I stopped hunting areas like this and searched out new areas that were better. If you were to let the little ones go or had antler restrictions in place you can see how you'd increase the number of older bucks.
03-05-2008, 02:24 PM
#110
Dominant Buck
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
4 1/2+ x
3 1/2 xx
2 1/2 xxxx
1 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have hunted herds like this as well.[&o] This is what you get when you "if it's brown it's down" hunt. Every season 80% or more of the bucks killed are 1 1/2. Pretty soon you don't have hardly any mature bucks. The ones you do have are super cautious, mostly nocturnal at the slightest hint of human presence. Not a very fun hunt if you expect to possibly get a glimpse of "old Mossy-Horns". I stopped hunting areas like this and searched out new areas that were better. If you were to let the little ones go or had antler restrictions in place you can see how you'd increase the number of older bucks.
3 1/2 xx
2 1/2 xxxx
1 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have hunted herds like this as well.[&o] This is what you get when you "if it's brown it's down" hunt. Every season 80% or more of the bucks killed are 1 1/2. Pretty soon you don't have hardly any mature bucks. The ones you do have are super cautious, mostly nocturnal at the slightest hint of human presence. Not a very fun hunt if you expect to possibly get a glimpse of "old Mossy-Horns". I stopped hunting areas like this and searched out new areas that were better. If you were to let the little ones go or had antler restrictions in place you can see how you'd increase the number of older bucks.
