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Old 03-05-2008, 01:47 PM
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HEY POPS.. if you are on respond to this!!!! IIGHT HOMES!!!
What you doing here?
Hey don't let us interupt your little family reunion..
I left her in the woods this last fall. She musta found her way out!
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:52 PM
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See Gus thats where you lost me..it's the challenge of taking a buck with a "trophy" set of horns.

The horns (antlers for purists) mean nothing alone

and a challenge without a prize that you desire, is a challenge to whom?
That's what I am trying to get at GR8. What's all the talk about "letting them go so they can grow" if it's about the challenge. If everyone practiced this, would killing a 4.5 year old still bea challenge? Sure the big horns come with the maturity......most of the time, but if there were a plethora of mature deer "with big horns" how would the challenge thing work then?

If the challenge is "easier" is the prize as desirable?

It seems to me that if it were all about the challenge of killing a mature whitetails then wewould not have many advocating to let em go to make it easier to do. Are you not just wanting to stack the odds in your favorto win the prize?





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Old 03-05-2008, 01:52 PM
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As a side question kinda off topic. GregH what bow do you shoot? No reason for asking other than curiosity. I never remember you mentioning much about your equipment. How bout a run-down Bow..sight..etc.

Again no agenda just pure curiosity.
I've talked about this before........ I shot for HCA for 7 years and still own 4 of them. My #1 hunting bow is a 1997 HCA Max Force, 66 lbs. It shoots 2413 XX78s with 85 gr Wasp SST Hammers @ 275 fps. 30" DL. Archers Choice F.O. 4-pin sight. Golden Premier prong rest and I use a Winns-Freeflight release (throw back from my 84# days). I absolutely love this bow!
Thanks..like I said just curious. It's actually cool to see someone who doesn't have every new gadget and still gets it done, with a favorite older model bow.
You know, I've been wanting a new bow for a couple of years now, but I just can't find one that feels as good or as smooth as what I currently have. Speed is not an issue for me as I have a fairly long DL. I prefer tohunt with 4 fixed pins and don't want them sitting right on top of each other. I like 275 with fixed BHs. One of these days I'llget one!
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:55 PM
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It's actually cool to see someone who doesn't have every new gadget and still gets it done, with a favorite older model bow.
Thats what happened to the native americans.Their equipment was out of date (they just never bought all those gadgets) so they all starved to death[8D]. Sorry, just thought your point of veiw was interesting. All the best hunters (in this case, best as in greatest collection in thier trophy room) I have known spend very little money every year on accessories (but much more on hunting).


As for the debate on 'trophy' some very good points have been made. I think everyone is right, but the multiple points of veiw just cannot allow everyone to agree. Above, all...have FUN. if you can do that and abide by game laws, I would be proud to call you a fellow bowhunter.
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Old 03-05-2008, 02:01 PM
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No, I would not rather shoot a lesser buck, I would shoot a doe first. I am a trophy hunter first, and a meat hunter second. I have the chance almost every time I am in the stand to shoot a buck. I usually have 3 or 4 young bucks travel by me during the course of 1 hunt. I prefer to pass them and let them have a chance to grow into mature bucks. I realize that someone else may not share that opinion, and may shoot one of those bucks that I passed, but that's the chanceI prefer totake.I would rather not shoot a buck for 2 or 3 years, until I see one that I think is worth taking, and fill the freezer with does.I don't knock anyone who isn't a trophy hunter though. If it makes you happy, then that's all that matters.
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Old 03-05-2008, 02:08 PM
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For the people who say "move to where they live" are completely missing the point of the post.

MATURE, means age. It does not mean antlers. AGE can be granted my letting little ones walk.

MOST of the great things in life take time. Do robbers shoot children? Or do they shoot the parents? It is not natural for humans to kill things that are young.

Obviously, deer densities are different all over the country, everyone knows that. Perception is reality. When you harvest does, and let the little ones walk, you fertilize your potential dream. If you would shoot a bigger buck instead of a small buck, why ever shoot a small buck? Does taste better, and again you are just making it harder to do what you actually want!

As has been said throughout this thread, to each his own!
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Old 03-05-2008, 02:17 PM
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Do robbers shoot children? Or do they shoot the parents? It is not natural for humans to kill things that are young.

WTF? I don't think its natural for the robber to shoot the parents either.[>:]
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Old 03-05-2008, 02:19 PM
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As for the debate on 'trophy' some very good points have been made. I think everyone is right, but the multiple points of veiw just cannot allow everyone to agree. Above, all...have FUN. if you can do that and abide by game laws, I would be proud to call you a fellow bowhunter.

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Old 03-05-2008, 02:21 PM
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I hope this works.........

Good buck age structure:


6 1/2+ xxx
51/2 xxxx
41/2xxxxxxx
31/2 xxxxxxxxxx
21/2 xxxxxxxxxxx
1 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I have hunted herds with an age structure almost like this. It makes fun and exciting to experience. This is what you get when you "let them go to let them grow".

Bad buck age structure:

4 1/2+ x
3 1/2 xx
2 1/2 xxxx
1 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I have hunted herds like this as well.[&o] This is what you get when you "if it's brown it's down" hunt. Every season 80% or more of the bucks killed are 1 1/2. Pretty soon you don't have hardly any mature bucks. The ones you do have are super cautious, mostly nocturnal at the slightest hint of human presence. Not a very fun hunt if you expect to possibly get a glimpse of "old Mossy-Horns". I stopped hunting areas like this and searched out new areas that were better. If you were to let the little ones go or had antler restrictions in place you can see how you'd increase the number of older bucks.
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Old 03-05-2008, 02:24 PM
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4 1/2+ x
3 1/2 xx
2 1/2 xxxx
1 1/2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I have hunted herds like this as well.[&o] This is what you get when you "if it's brown it's down" hunt. Every season 80% or more of the bucks killed are 1 1/2. Pretty soon you don't have hardly any mature bucks. The ones you do have are super cautious, mostly nocturnal at the slightest hint of human presence. Not a very fun hunt if you expect to possibly get a glimpse of "old Mossy-Horns". I stopped hunting areas like this and searched out new areas that were better. If you were to let the little ones go or had antler restrictions in place you can see how you'd increase the number of older bucks.
Did you live here????
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