Again, alot to learn.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2460347

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2459123

I have been a Mathews shooter for nearly 10 years, and have heard a lot of complaining about the grips. If you don't like the grip, just change it, its not that hard. I personally like the grip, but I have big hands, so its never been an issue for me.

Also, I am not defensive about Mathews as someone put it! There are a lot of fine bows out there, but the bottom line is that most (if not all) have in some way patterned their bows after the innovations that Mathews introduced.

To say that Mathews dropped the ball this year simply because they didn't come out with something that ROCKED the industry tells you that people STILL look to them as the INDUSTRY LEADER,so I would not say they've been passed up by other companies! Honestly, has anyoneintroduced something that was innovative in a waythatmade a SIGNIFICANT improvement to compound bows in the last decade other thanMathews?

I happen to thing Bowtech, PSE, etc, are very good bows, but there is no doubt they are all better because of Mathews!

the bottom line is that most (if not all) have in some way patterned their bows after the innovations that Mathews introduced.

I thought so too, but we're wrong. Rob just corrected that.

Bear single came circa 1987

Mr Rob.
Please see my above post with a provided link to an article by cncmachine magazine. It states that Mathews built the first prototype of a solo-cam bow, (this is of course a compound bow) I dont know what kinda thingy that there is but its not from this planet I am certain... Anyway, this was done in 1991 and the entire article is a pretty intresting read, but the topic paragraph is maybe halfway down the page. It goes on to say that he came up with the idea to do away with cam timing issues associated with double cam bows of the period. (1991, just so no one is confuzzled).

I would now like to get a little bit Dr. Philly for a second.

"You've gota lot to learn"

I would say that we all have a lot to learn, for instance, I would like to learn more about the Leica 1205 Total station sitting beside me on the desk. (I named him Robby, cuz hes a robot... kinda catchy.) Its a powerful machine and I have the manual but I dont know of all its capabilities yet, because I dont use them all on a daily basis.

Im sure you can think of something that you dont know, or maybe you would like to know more about...?

The only reason I got testy before was because this fellow had written somethings without providing any proof... which is unacceptable. For example, If I were to just blurt out that I was the tallest person on Earth, without any proof or evidence to back that up, there would probably be some sliver of doubt in the minds of some of the forum users? Agreed?

Correct, we all have alot to learn, I try to learn daily but one thing I don't learnn from is misinformation. Misinformation only breeds misinformation.

That should be worded, the prototype of their solo-cam...ie the name of their bow at the time the Mathews Solocam....not the first single cam, they did not invent the very first single cam.

Again, a compound, single cam circa 1987...if my history is correct, 87 came before 91.

I see your point quite clearly, trying to overwhelm me with old pictures and such, thats intresting.

All I stated before was that mathews was the first to come up with the "SOLO CAM" which is actually patented by Mathews inc. All of this can be found in the article. And as I stated before, I had no evidence other than my own experience of never seeing a bow before Mathews with supressors in the risers. Its all good.

And if you want to get nit picky the roller guard is High Country's and Bowtech had the first of the real "modern" style parallel limb bows with their firstPatriot which debuted 3 months prior to Mathews coming out with their first version in the Legacy model.

Those in my mind were the first 2 bows which FEATURED short true "parallel limb design" rather than it just being a by product of what a long riser demands and basically changed the face of today's hunting bows. Now if you aren't parallel or beyond you aren't a player.

Mathews makes some great bows, and without a doubt they have ridden an incredible wave of marketing.

So we are safe in saying that Mathews is copying those bows and....

Hoyt, Bowtech etc, etc are copying things from Martin, Bear, Jennings etc...they all copy each other, they all take from one another and improve, modify, change.

Mathews makes great bows, not top in my book but great bows but they did not invent the wheel.