Defending Mathews....
11-28-2007 | 12:01 PM
#61
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 913
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From: North Carolina
RE: Defending Mathews....
ORIGINAL: Red Boar
I am presently a Mathews shooter, but I'll be trying many new ones this year. As far as innovation goes, High Country might be the leader:
PRESS RELEASE – FROM High Country Archery
The New Speed Force!
The Fastest Bow for 2008!
Looks like a bowtech and mathews mix
The New Speed Force is a must have for the average bow hunter or for the serious 3D Shooter. The New Speed Force has NO SHOCK, NO VIBRATION. NO RECOIL and at a BLAZING FAST SPEED of 342-352 FPS, and with a forgiving brace height of 7” it is sure to be the fastest bow for 2008!
The New Speed Force our NEW aluminum riser machined from a solid block of T-6061 aluminum.
New Talon Limb Pockets that have a 3-point alignment system. Add Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs, Winner’s Choice Strings & Cables, Bowjax Limb & String Dampening System, Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip, Hardcoat Anodized Roller Guard, New Trinary Cams (available in Large or Mini-Trinary), our New String Stopper and weighing in at just 4 pounds, you have the Fastest and the Best of the Best for 2008!
Specifications
Cam: New Trinary Cam
Limbs: Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs
Riser: New Machined 6061-T6 Billet Aluminum (from Solid Block)
Pocket: New Talon Pocket with 3 point alignment system
Roller Guard: Hard Coat Anodized
Grip: Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip
Axle: 33”
Brace Hgt: 7”
Mass Wgt: 4 lbs
Let-Off` 55%-80%
IBO: 342-352
Peak Wgts: 50-60-70-80
Draw Lgths: New Large Trinary Cam – 27 – 30”
New Mini Trinary Cam – 25 - 27”
Camo Realtree® Hardwoods Green HD™
Note the shelf is not the final shelf that will come on the bow it has been addressed and has a nice angle to it for you guys!
I am presently a Mathews shooter, but I'll be trying many new ones this year. As far as innovation goes, High Country might be the leader:
PRESS RELEASE – FROM High Country Archery
The New Speed Force!
The Fastest Bow for 2008!
Looks like a bowtech and mathews mix
The New Speed Force is a must have for the average bow hunter or for the serious 3D Shooter. The New Speed Force has NO SHOCK, NO VIBRATION. NO RECOIL and at a BLAZING FAST SPEED of 342-352 FPS, and with a forgiving brace height of 7” it is sure to be the fastest bow for 2008!
The New Speed Force our NEW aluminum riser machined from a solid block of T-6061 aluminum.
New Talon Limb Pockets that have a 3-point alignment system. Add Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs, Winner’s Choice Strings & Cables, Bowjax Limb & String Dampening System, Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip, Hardcoat Anodized Roller Guard, New Trinary Cams (available in Large or Mini-Trinary), our New String Stopper and weighing in at just 4 pounds, you have the Fastest and the Best of the Best for 2008!
Specifications
Cam: New Trinary Cam
Limbs: Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs
Riser: New Machined 6061-T6 Billet Aluminum (from Solid Block)
Pocket: New Talon Pocket with 3 point alignment system
Roller Guard: Hard Coat Anodized
Grip: Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip
Axle: 33”
Brace Hgt: 7”
Mass Wgt: 4 lbs
Let-Off` 55%-80%
IBO: 342-352
Peak Wgts: 50-60-70-80
Draw Lgths: New Large Trinary Cam – 27 – 30”
New Mini Trinary Cam – 25 - 27”
Camo Realtree® Hardwoods Green HD™
Note the shelf is not the final shelf that will come on the bow it has been addressed and has a nice angle to it for you guys!
11-28-2007 | 12:10 PM
#62
Site Bouncer
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,099
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From: Illinois
RE: Defending Mathews....
ORIGINAL: Rick James
Gutshot is exactly right. They took the$250,000 they normally spent on this show and put it into thefuture of this sport by helping toget archery back into the school systems through NASP.
ORIGINAL: PABuck_HNTR
So much loyalty on display..... This topic pops up every 2 weeks and the same Mathews guys find their way to defend a company that won't even take part in the ATA show.......AGAIN.
Could someone explain why Mathews doesn't attend this show? Do they not want to offer any discounts to dealers? Is it that they don't want to spend the money? Is it Arrogance?
Someone must know.
So much loyalty on display..... This topic pops up every 2 weeks and the same Mathews guys find their way to defend a company that won't even take part in the ATA show.......AGAIN.
Could someone explain why Mathews doesn't attend this show? Do they not want to offer any discounts to dealers? Is it that they don't want to spend the money? Is it Arrogance?
Someone must know.
As far as discounts to dealers go....who says they (or any other bow manufacturer for than matter) needs to give discounts to dealers. Price the bows, if they sell fine, that's what business and making money is all about. If they didn't sell....you'll see the prices come down.
They (Mathews)make a solid performing bow. When I look at my Switchback, it looks pretty up to date with technology to me. In fact it has components on it that Bowtech didn't have even when it's concepts were being put to use by other companies (roller guide, built in string suppressors, etc..) so I feel they are pretty up to speed with the tech. curve.
Nothing was worse than that cheap (and I do mean cheap) plastic guide slide that Bowtech/Diamond installed on there top of the line bows.[:'(]My Rapture/Techunter slide broke in the first 100 shots and I ended up going with an aftermarket one rather than even bother with another bowtech slide.
No company is perfect and these threads while amusing really don't settle anything.......but I do love posting on them.
11-28-2007 | 12:24 PM
#63
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,573
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From: Jacksonville, IL/ Huntington, WV
RE: Defending Mathews....
ORIGINAL: turtleshell
ORIGINAL: Red Boar
I am presently a Mathews shooter, but I'll be trying many new ones this year. As far as innovation goes, High Country might be the leader:
PRESS RELEASE – FROM High Country Archery
The New Speed Force!
The Fastest Bow for 2008!
Looks like a bowtech and mathews mix
The New Speed Force is a must have for the average bow hunter or for the serious 3D Shooter. The New Speed Force has NO SHOCK, NO VIBRATION. NO RECOIL and at a BLAZING FAST SPEED of 342-352 FPS, and with a forgiving brace height of 7” it is sure to be the fastest bow for 2008!
The New Speed Force our NEW aluminum riser machined from a solid block of T-6061 aluminum.
New Talon Limb Pockets that have a 3-point alignment system. Add Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs, Winner’s Choice Strings & Cables, Bowjax Limb & String Dampening System, Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip, Hardcoat Anodized Roller Guard, New Trinary Cams (available in Large or Mini-Trinary), our New String Stopper and weighing in at just 4 pounds, you have the Fastest and the Best of the Best for 2008!
Specifications
Cam: New Trinary Cam
Limbs: Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs
Riser: New Machined 6061-T6 Billet Aluminum (from Solid Block)
Pocket: New Talon Pocket with 3 point alignment system
Roller Guard: Hard Coat Anodized
Grip: Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip
Axle: 33”
Brace Hgt: 7”
Mass Wgt: 4 lbs
Let-Off` 55%-80%
IBO: 342-352
Peak Wgts: 50-60-70-80
Draw Lgths: New Large Trinary Cam – 27 – 30”
New Mini Trinary Cam – 25 - 27”
Camo Realtree® Hardwoods Green HD™
Note the shelf is not the final shelf that will come on the bow it has been addressed and has a nice angle to it for you guys!
I am presently a Mathews shooter, but I'll be trying many new ones this year. As far as innovation goes, High Country might be the leader:
PRESS RELEASE – FROM High Country Archery
The New Speed Force!
The Fastest Bow for 2008!
Looks like a bowtech and mathews mix
The New Speed Force is a must have for the average bow hunter or for the serious 3D Shooter. The New Speed Force has NO SHOCK, NO VIBRATION. NO RECOIL and at a BLAZING FAST SPEED of 342-352 FPS, and with a forgiving brace height of 7” it is sure to be the fastest bow for 2008!
The New Speed Force our NEW aluminum riser machined from a solid block of T-6061 aluminum.
New Talon Limb Pockets that have a 3-point alignment system. Add Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs, Winner’s Choice Strings & Cables, Bowjax Limb & String Dampening System, Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip, Hardcoat Anodized Roller Guard, New Trinary Cams (available in Large or Mini-Trinary), our New String Stopper and weighing in at just 4 pounds, you have the Fastest and the Best of the Best for 2008!
Specifications
Cam: New Trinary Cam
Limbs: Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs
Riser: New Machined 6061-T6 Billet Aluminum (from Solid Block)
Pocket: New Talon Pocket with 3 point alignment system
Roller Guard: Hard Coat Anodized
Grip: Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip
Axle: 33”
Brace Hgt: 7”
Mass Wgt: 4 lbs
Let-Off` 55%-80%
IBO: 342-352
Peak Wgts: 50-60-70-80
Draw Lgths: New Large Trinary Cam – 27 – 30”
New Mini Trinary Cam – 25 - 27”
Camo Realtree® Hardwoods Green HD™
Note the shelf is not the final shelf that will come on the bow it has been addressed and has a nice angle to it for you guys!
11-28-2007 | 02:14 PM
#64
Fork Horn
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 225
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From: Southeastern Michigan
RE: Defending Mathews....
ORIGINAL: bhunter50
i have had a few bows over the last 12 years of my hunting career and mathews without a doubt takes the cake. i started with 2 jennings bows(micro carbon extreme and the buckmaster), then i began to look for a new bow and shot high country, bowtech, hoyt, pse and then mathews and fell in love with the Q2! i then upgraded a couple years later to the switchback, which is what i currently tote. i plan on shooting the new bowtechs, dont like the new hoyts, but i just haven't been able to find anything as nice as the mathews line, you can feel the perfection of the bow as you release the arrow! very smooth and unmatched, i have never liked the recoil involved with a bowtech but some claim they have a more forgiving bow so i suppose i will shoot one to see whether or not the claims add up! But as with many of my hunting buddies and i......mathews is the best!
i have had a few bows over the last 12 years of my hunting career and mathews without a doubt takes the cake. i started with 2 jennings bows(micro carbon extreme and the buckmaster), then i began to look for a new bow and shot high country, bowtech, hoyt, pse and then mathews and fell in love with the Q2! i then upgraded a couple years later to the switchback, which is what i currently tote. i plan on shooting the new bowtechs, dont like the new hoyts, but i just haven't been able to find anything as nice as the mathews line, you can feel the perfection of the bow as you release the arrow! very smooth and unmatched, i have never liked the recoil involved with a bowtech but some claim they have a more forgiving bow so i suppose i will shoot one to see whether or not the claims add up! But as with many of my hunting buddies and i......mathews is the best!
11-28-2007 | 02:23 PM
#65
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 620
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RE: Defending Mathews....
ORIGINAL: goherd1111
Looks just like the Iron mace!!! Are there any differences. I like the looks of it but I like the Iron mace to and as I mentioned earlier they look the same.
ORIGINAL: turtleshell
ORIGINAL: Red Boar
I am presently a Mathews shooter, but I'll be trying many new ones this year. As far as innovation goes, High Country might be the leader:
PRESS RELEASE – FROM High Country Archery
The New Speed Force!
The Fastest Bow for 2008!
Looks like a bowtech and mathews mix
The New Speed Force is a must have for the average bow hunter or for the serious 3D Shooter. The New Speed Force has NO SHOCK, NO VIBRATION. NO RECOIL and at a BLAZING FAST SPEED of 342-352 FPS, and with a forgiving brace height of 7” it is sure to be the fastest bow for 2008!
The New Speed Force our NEW aluminum riser machined from a solid block of T-6061 aluminum.
New Talon Limb Pockets that have a 3-point alignment system. Add Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs, Winner’s Choice Strings & Cables, Bowjax Limb & String Dampening System, Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip, Hardcoat Anodized Roller Guard, New Trinary Cams (available in Large or Mini-Trinary), our New String Stopper and weighing in at just 4 pounds, you have the Fastest and the Best of the Best for 2008!
Specifications
Cam: New Trinary Cam
Limbs: Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs
Riser: New Machined 6061-T6 Billet Aluminum (from Solid Block)
Pocket: New Talon Pocket with 3 point alignment system
Roller Guard: Hard Coat Anodized
Grip: Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip
Axle: 33”
Brace Hgt: 7”
Mass Wgt: 4 lbs
Let-Off` 55%-80%
IBO: 342-352
Peak Wgts: 50-60-70-80
Draw Lgths: New Large Trinary Cam – 27 – 30”
New Mini Trinary Cam – 25 - 27”
Camo Realtree® Hardwoods Green HD™
Note the shelf is not the final shelf that will come on the bow it has been addressed and has a nice angle to it for you guys!
I am presently a Mathews shooter, but I'll be trying many new ones this year. As far as innovation goes, High Country might be the leader:
PRESS RELEASE – FROM High Country Archery
The New Speed Force!
The Fastest Bow for 2008!
Looks like a bowtech and mathews mix
The New Speed Force is a must have for the average bow hunter or for the serious 3D Shooter. The New Speed Force has NO SHOCK, NO VIBRATION. NO RECOIL and at a BLAZING FAST SPEED of 342-352 FPS, and with a forgiving brace height of 7” it is sure to be the fastest bow for 2008!
The New Speed Force our NEW aluminum riser machined from a solid block of T-6061 aluminum.
New Talon Limb Pockets that have a 3-point alignment system. Add Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs, Winner’s Choice Strings & Cables, Bowjax Limb & String Dampening System, Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip, Hardcoat Anodized Roller Guard, New Trinary Cams (available in Large or Mini-Trinary), our New String Stopper and weighing in at just 4 pounds, you have the Fastest and the Best of the Best for 2008!
Specifications
Cam: New Trinary Cam
Limbs: Barnsdale 6 Layer Laminated Parallel Solid Limbs
Riser: New Machined 6061-T6 Billet Aluminum (from Solid Block)
Pocket: New Talon Pocket with 3 point alignment system
Roller Guard: Hard Coat Anodized
Grip: Two Piece Carbon Dip Grip
Axle: 33”
Brace Hgt: 7”
Mass Wgt: 4 lbs
Let-Off` 55%-80%
IBO: 342-352
Peak Wgts: 50-60-70-80
Draw Lgths: New Large Trinary Cam – 27 – 30”
New Mini Trinary Cam – 25 - 27”
Camo Realtree® Hardwoods Green HD™
Note the shelf is not the final shelf that will come on the bow it has been addressed and has a nice angle to it for you guys!
11-28-2007 | 02:24 PM
#66
Joined: Aug 2006
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RE: Defending Mathews....
ORIGINAL: Rick James
Gutshot is exactly right. They took the$250,000 they normally spent on this show and put it into thefuture of this sport by helping toget archery back into the school systems through NASP.
ORIGINAL: PABuck_HNTR
So much loyalty on display..... This topic pops up every 2 weeks and the same Mathews guys find their way to defend a company that won't even take part in the ATA show.......AGAIN.
Could someone explain why Mathews doesn't attend this show? Do they not want to offer any discounts to dealers? Is it that they don't want to spend the money? Is it Arrogance?
Someone must know.
So much loyalty on display..... This topic pops up every 2 weeks and the same Mathews guys find their way to defend a company that won't even take part in the ATA show.......AGAIN.
Could someone explain why Mathews doesn't attend this show? Do they not want to offer any discounts to dealers? Is it that they don't want to spend the money? Is it Arrogance?
Someone must know.
11-28-2007 | 04:23 PM
#68
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 217
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From:
RE: Defending Mathews....
ORIGINAL: Michbowhunter
No other Bow Manufacturer has been more innovative than Mathews! What they've brought to the archery industry in the past decade has been amazing, and in my mind, there is no comparison..... Mathews is the best!!!
No other Bow Manufacturer has been more innovative than Mathews! What they've brought to the archery industry in the past decade has been amazing, and in my mind, there is no comparison..... Mathews is the best!!!
Who was it that came out with the first solo-cam bows? Mathews... And who has copied that idea? Everyone...
Who was it that came out with parallel limbs? Mathews...and who has copied that idea? Everyone...
Who was it that came out with the vibration dampners? Mathews... and everyone has copied that too.
You cant tell me that Mathews hasnt come out with anything innovative in a while, since they have been the founding father of modern bows for the last decade. Solo-cam, parallel limb, dampners, string supressors... the list goes on and on.
11-28-2007 | 04:28 PM
#69
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,911
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From: Minnesota
RE: Defending Mathews....
ORIGINAL: EODLT
I agree.
Who was it that came out with the first solo-cam bows? Mathews... And who has copied that idea? Everyone...
Who was it that came out with parallel limbs? Mathews...and who has copied that idea? Everyone...
Who was it that came out with the vibration dampners? Mathews... and everyone has copied that too.
You cant tell me that Mathews hasnt come out with anything innovative in a while, since they have been the founding father of modern bows for the last decade. Solo-cam, parallel limb, dampners, string supressors... the list goes on and on.
ORIGINAL: Michbowhunter
No other Bow Manufacturer has been more innovative than Mathews! What they've brought to the archery industry in the past decade has been amazing, and in my mind, there is no comparison..... Mathews is the best!!!
No other Bow Manufacturer has been more innovative than Mathews! What they've brought to the archery industry in the past decade has been amazing, and in my mind, there is no comparison..... Mathews is the best!!!
Who was it that came out with the first solo-cam bows? Mathews... And who has copied that idea? Everyone...
Who was it that came out with parallel limbs? Mathews...and who has copied that idea? Everyone...
Who was it that came out with the vibration dampners? Mathews... and everyone has copied that too.
You cant tell me that Mathews hasnt come out with anything innovative in a while, since they have been the founding father of modern bows for the last decade. Solo-cam, parallel limb, dampners, string supressors... the list goes on and on.
11-28-2007 | 04:42 PM
#70
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 217
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RE: Defending Mathews....
Technology? Its a bow, not a space station!
Bowtech puts a goofy lookin center pivot thingy on their bow and suddenly they think they are the best! puh. Adjustable cams are just one more thing to break in my opinion... I already know what my #'s are, I dont need no stinkin adjustments. Mathews bows are like custom suits, you dont go to Walmart and buy a one size fits all tuxedo do you?? So why would you buy a one size fits all bow? You just get "close", I would like mine to be "exact".
Hoyts got to be the ugliest bow in the world! They plug in some dampners in the riser, (how original
) and now they think they are the best!? Bull butter!
Hoyt and Bowtech are good bows absolutely, but I dont think they hold a candle to Mathews.
Bowtech puts a goofy lookin center pivot thingy on their bow and suddenly they think they are the best! puh. Adjustable cams are just one more thing to break in my opinion... I already know what my #'s are, I dont need no stinkin adjustments. Mathews bows are like custom suits, you dont go to Walmart and buy a one size fits all tuxedo do you?? So why would you buy a one size fits all bow? You just get "close", I would like mine to be "exact".
Hoyts got to be the ugliest bow in the world! They plug in some dampners in the riser, (how original
) and now they think they are the best!? Bull butter!Hoyt and Bowtech are good bows absolutely, but I dont think they hold a candle to Mathews.