Lilhunter

to heck with a grunt, how about a bugle from an enraged bull elk! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>, now that would be something LOL!

NorthJeff

That speed thing is something I was hoping would come up here.

A deer has plenty of time to totally remove it's body from the path of an arrow at 15 yards a 280 fps. Do you think if he could do it at 220 fps he couldn't at 280?? Rent Hunting October Whitetails. It has a great &quot;miss&quot; area, in which a guy completely misses a deer as it drops a full body length before the arrow gets there. This was less than 5 yards with an 80# bow.

Dick, your right, those deer you photograph prove my point. They don't drop and run at that distance, just look your way.

I don't have to tell you what a deer will eventually do when you fall over in you lawn chair, nocking over your pop, bag of chips, and spotting scope(it's quite a scene!), but even then my wife said they stopped feeding to look my way first before they ran.

Also, no one can anticipate a deer step, but your still taking a chance at any range.

Shoot a quiet bow, at a relaxed deer, with at an exact, practiced distance, and you'll do fine.

Jeff...U.P. of Michigan.

shed1

Dick, LOL me too!

Slo-bo

&quot;much sooner than I'd take a 15 yard shot at an alert deer that's ready to &quot;head for the hills&quot;.

NorthJeff, I think this is the main key to it all. I keep my shots under 20 yards,(just my personal comfort zone), but I would rather take a 20 yard shot at a calm deer, than a 10 yard shot at a spooked deer. I actually wont take a shot a deer that has me pegged. Just my thoughts.

Straightarrow

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You might want to look up the speed of sound again! Also the human factors thrown in.....if you still dont believe it, just keep shootn! sorry I disagree with that theory and publicing it for the general public as not all are capable/proficent/knowledgable in there equipment..the he said this theory applies!
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The speed of sound is approximately 1100 fps depending on temperature and altitude. What you may not be considering, is reaction time. A deer does not instantly react to any sound. The ear must transmit it to the brain, which must then interpret it as danger, then it must send a signal to the muscles involved, to run. You don't have to believe me, just read the article. It is very well explained. I'm just relaying the information it contained, along with my experience.

Lilhunter

amen to that, then again take out the ole 7mm or the ole mans 45-70, wait for deer to come in sight at a hundred yards and shoot at the wood pile...I would be they aint gonna just turn there heads to look, more often then not they're gonna run like mad lighting!! That is why I do believe both....

ps got hunting october whitetails 1 and 2 on the floor, just watched them for the umpteenth million time last weekend <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Lilhunter

hey Straight, Watch more of the hunting vids where they shot the shots from right over the shooter, then slow mo the slow mo. More often then not the deer are moving from the sound long before the arrow is a couple feet off of most bows! Just something I have observed from missing a few and watching a ton of hunting vids and slo moing many shots! Both trad and Wheels it didnt make to much of a difference!

shed1

Lil,

Ok....maybe I am not getting your point. But you said at 15 yards a deer can't react in time to 280ft/second bow. If the speed of sound is 732 ft/sec (if my memory serves me right) correct me if I am wrong.... my question is ....why couldn't that be enough time for a deer to gather itself and duck at 15 yards?

Like I said maybe I am not understanding your logic. Second...no matter the pitch all sound travels at the same speed.

Thanks,
Shed

Lilhunter

first off I didnt say they couldnt move, I was reasoning they could LOL!


sorry, I was partially wrong there, the lower sound will travel farther then the higher pitches! Due to wave lengths but yes they travel the same speed. Thanks for pointing out my mistake

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Straightarrow

Actually, I've watched dozens of hunting videos, but I can't come to any solid conclusions from them. Distance can't be judged on the video. You have to rely on the commentator's estimate as accurate. Second, you can't see the arrow leave the bow, much less know what the deer has done after it traveled a few feet. There's also plenty of times I've seen a deer duck what appeared to be only a few inches, and had a poorly aimed arrow go over their backs. I don't believe a deer can duck a well directed arrow at 5 yards. I believe the hunter has to contribute to a miss at that range.