ANNUAL LET 'EM GO AND LET 'EM GROW
09-21-2006 | 12:41 PM
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RE: ANNUAL LET 'EM GO AND LET 'EM GROW
I honestly can't believe that this is as big of an argument as it is.
We're all hunters, plain and simple. Granted, we may all take different things away from this sport/tradition, but the fact of the matter is we're a community and as a community we should all support one another no matter what.
So some guys like to hunt for deer with large antlers. Awesome, great, fantastic. They're out in the woods doing what we all love -- hunting!
So some guys hunt for meat. Awesome, great, fantastic. They're out in the woods doing what we all love -- hunting.
To break it down any farther than that is to break apart our community. Its already bad enough that we have the Compound/Traditional/Cross Bow debate going on constantly.
Though we may hunt for different reasons, we all hunt and that iswhat is most important. Quit the arguing and enjoy what you do no matter what the guy next to you thinks.
We're all hunters, plain and simple. Granted, we may all take different things away from this sport/tradition, but the fact of the matter is we're a community and as a community we should all support one another no matter what.
So some guys like to hunt for deer with large antlers. Awesome, great, fantastic. They're out in the woods doing what we all love -- hunting!
So some guys hunt for meat. Awesome, great, fantastic. They're out in the woods doing what we all love -- hunting.
To break it down any farther than that is to break apart our community. Its already bad enough that we have the Compound/Traditional/Cross Bow debate going on constantly.
Though we may hunt for different reasons, we all hunt and that iswhat is most important. Quit the arguing and enjoy what you do no matter what the guy next to you thinks.
09-21-2006 | 12:46 PM
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RE: ANNUAL LET 'EM GO AND LET 'EM GROW
Wash:
That;s the issue.The "non-trophy / I'll shoot what I want to" campdoesn't try to impose its views on everyone.
The QDM guys (most, it would seem) aren't coming clean, either. We keep hearing about shooting mature bucks.....but I'm betting we all know how they'd answer my hypothetical.........if no one was around.
Jeff
That;s the issue.The "non-trophy / I'll shoot what I want to" campdoesn't try to impose its views on everyone.
The QDM guys (most, it would seem) aren't coming clean, either. We keep hearing about shooting mature bucks.....but I'm betting we all know how they'd answer my hypothetical.........if no one was around.
Jeff
09-21-2006 | 01:09 PM
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RE: ANNUAL LET 'EM GO AND LET 'EM GROW
ORIGINAL: GregH
Dude, the only thing weird here is you. I will not allow you to skew my words or to put words into my mouth.
Dude, the only thing weird here is you. I will not allow you to skew my words or to put words into my mouth.
09-21-2006 | 01:22 PM
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RE: ANNUAL LET 'EM GO AND LET 'EM GROW
ORIGINAL: jelen
Must be some guilt underlying some of these posts. Why the anger?
Must be some guilt underlying some of these posts. Why the anger?
Atlastman is simply...well...although extremely long winded and loud...he is just plain simply simple.
09-21-2006 | 01:36 PM
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RE: ANNUAL LET 'EM GO AND LET 'EM GROW
ORIGINAL: livbucks
I think it should be: "Let 'em go and let 'm grow, so many more hunters have a shot at gettingthat mature "once in a lifetime" trophy
I think it should be: "Let 'em go and let 'm grow, so many more hunters have a shot at gettingthat mature "once in a lifetime" trophy
Then it wouldn't be a "once in a lifetime" trophy. The rarity of a big deer is what makes them special. If they were common then all that would be lost. People in Kansas don't even look twice at a 120 class buck........but some areas that is a MONSTER. Why would you want to ruin that?
so their grandchildren can marvel at the mount years later, and think to themselves "how neat it must have been in the old days, when there was a forest, and deer in it, and it was legal to own a weapon and use it to hunt such a majestic animal."
I plan to pass my grand kids good ethics, morals, the value of education and LOTS of money. I doubt they will be upset that all that only comes with 1 head mount
Somehow, the skull cap from that spike, justwon't invoke the same response now,will it?
09-21-2006 | 01:45 PM
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RE: ANNUAL LET 'EM GO AND LET 'EM GROW
To me Hunting is a very special time were memories are shared and new ones are made every year. The kill is a bonus.
You may have hit on the real reason I am so selective.
I could pretty well fill my buck tag within a day or two of the bow opener every year. I have passed on literally 10 times or more the number of bucks I have killed, easy. I guess the weekly get together with family during bow season and the trips to camp in rifle season mean more to me than the kill. So it must be a very impressive buck for me to end my hunting for the year. I live in PA...one buck per year only.
Sorry you feel that I am attacking you
How am I being hypocritical?
Which brings me to my question: ....Is hunting more than a certain kill every year? An animal of any kind, no matter what?
Go a decade without filling a buck tag and come back and see me. I'm betting most "Brown and down" hunters lose interest before then.
09-21-2006 | 02:56 PM
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RE: ANNUAL LET 'EM GO AND LET 'EM GROW
No different then the insecurity that oozes from posts like yours........not everyone feels they need to prove their manhood with antlers. Why the compensation? Before you know it you will be in a convertible Vette with your comb-over blowing in the wind.
LOL
I think I missed something.
Did you answer my question (about the older, small-racked buck)?
Jeff
Did you answer my question (about the older, small-racked buck)?
Jeff
). Just like I haven't had a reply to this statement either:
Even though it's well known that male Whitetail deer can and do start to reproduce and mate as early as 1.5 years old and are very active reproducing as 2.5 to 3.5 years olds.
So having a bunch of 1.5 to 3.5 year old buckswith a good ratio to does residing in yourcounty is a very good sign that the herd in your area is "healthy" Even though there may not be as many 4.5and up year old bucks running around.
Yet even in this situation you will never hear a "so called" QDM proponent say "go on and kill them young bucks"instead they will berate you as a hunter for doing it and hide behind QDMas theirnoble cause. it's all B.S.
So having a bunch of 1.5 to 3.5 year old buckswith a good ratio to does residing in yourcounty is a very good sign that the herd in your area is "healthy" Even though there may not be as many 4.5and up year old bucks running around.
Yet even in this situation you will never hear a "so called" QDM proponent say "go on and kill them young bucks"instead they will berate you as a hunter for doing it and hide behind QDMas theirnoble cause. it's all B.S.
Let's face it, with the exceptions of a few spots around thecountry,deer populations in the USA are on the rise from record low numbers at the turn of the century to record high number now. They are the most hearty and well adapted of our nations large game. This is due to this country taking an active role in game conservation at both the national and state levels. Judging by the deer populations, I think they have done a great job.
Those who preach "QDM" in states like Illinois are (IMO) just using it as a smoke screen for their agenda and that's to "grow" bigger antlered deer so it will be easier for them to kill one. Most counties in Illinois have an over population of deer.
I would rather kill a large antlered deer that came to be that way from natural selection, it would mean far more to me than if I were to skew the numbers in my favor.
09-21-2006 | 03:14 PM
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RE: ANNUAL LET 'EM GO AND LET 'EM GROW
There are deer hunters and then there are deer killers.
Deer hunters care about the deer herd more than about killing deer. Deer hunters mature as they gain experience and grow past the point where they have to KILL every dink buck that they can to pacify their fragile egos. Deer hunters realize that the herd needs to be controlled and the way to do this is by shooting does rather than the easiest deer in the woods, a dink buck. Every deer hunter went through a phase early in his career when killing deer was important and in most cases a few dinks fell. Some people mature past this phase and others remain kill-mongers.Deer Hunters have ethics that go beyond what the law allows. Deer Kill-mongers use the law as an excuse for their actions. There are deer hunters and then there are deer killers. Some deer killers will grow out of it and some will not. That is simply a shame. We are all at various stages as hunters and all have different goals. Sadly for some their goal never changes - to simply kill something everytime they head to the woods. They think they are real hunters but havent a clue how far from it they really are. Hmmmm
Oh ... and for the record I hereby crown GregH as the ultimate authority on deer hunting .... along with the guy that started this thread .... and if they have another opening on their committee, I nominate myself as well. :^) ha ha ha
Deer hunters care about the deer herd more than about killing deer. Deer hunters mature as they gain experience and grow past the point where they have to KILL every dink buck that they can to pacify their fragile egos. Deer hunters realize that the herd needs to be controlled and the way to do this is by shooting does rather than the easiest deer in the woods, a dink buck. Every deer hunter went through a phase early in his career when killing deer was important and in most cases a few dinks fell. Some people mature past this phase and others remain kill-mongers.Deer Hunters have ethics that go beyond what the law allows. Deer Kill-mongers use the law as an excuse for their actions. There are deer hunters and then there are deer killers. Some deer killers will grow out of it and some will not. That is simply a shame. We are all at various stages as hunters and all have different goals. Sadly for some their goal never changes - to simply kill something everytime they head to the woods. They think they are real hunters but havent a clue how far from it they really are. Hmmmm
Oh ... and for the record I hereby crown GregH as the ultimate authority on deer hunting .... along with the guy that started this thread .... and if they have another opening on their committee, I nominate myself as well. :^) ha ha ha
09-21-2006 | 03:47 PM
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RE: ANNUAL LET 'EM GO AND LET 'EM GROW
ORIGINAL: Monster Bucks only
There are deer hunters and then there are deer killers.
Deer hunters care about the deer herd more than about killing deer. Deer hunters mature as they gain experience and grow past the point where they have to KILL every dink buck that they can to pacify their fragile egos. Deer hunters realize that the herd needs to be controlled and the way to do this is by shooting does rather than the easiest deer in the woods, a dink buck. Every deer hunter went through a phase early in his career when killing deer was important and in most cases a few dinks fell. Some people mature past this phase and others remain kill-mongers.Deer Hunters have ethics that go beyond what the law allows. Deer Kill-mongers use the law as an excuse for their actions. There are deer hunters and then there are deer killers. Some deer killers will grow out of it and some will not. That is simply a shame. We are all at various stages as hunters and all have different goals. Sadly for some their goal never changes - to simply kill something everytime they head to the woods. They think they are real hunters but havent a clue how far from it they really are. Hmmmm
Oh ... and for the record I hereby crown GregH as the ultimate authority on deer hunting .... along with the guy that started this thread .... and if they have another opening on their committee, I nominate myself as well. :^) ha ha ha
There are deer hunters and then there are deer killers.
Deer hunters care about the deer herd more than about killing deer. Deer hunters mature as they gain experience and grow past the point where they have to KILL every dink buck that they can to pacify their fragile egos. Deer hunters realize that the herd needs to be controlled and the way to do this is by shooting does rather than the easiest deer in the woods, a dink buck. Every deer hunter went through a phase early in his career when killing deer was important and in most cases a few dinks fell. Some people mature past this phase and others remain kill-mongers.Deer Hunters have ethics that go beyond what the law allows. Deer Kill-mongers use the law as an excuse for their actions. There are deer hunters and then there are deer killers. Some deer killers will grow out of it and some will not. That is simply a shame. We are all at various stages as hunters and all have different goals. Sadly for some their goal never changes - to simply kill something everytime they head to the woods. They think they are real hunters but havent a clue how far from it they really are. Hmmmm
Oh ... and for the record I hereby crown GregH as the ultimate authority on deer hunting .... along with the guy that started this thread .... and if they have another opening on their committee, I nominate myself as well. :^) ha ha ha
Do you really expect me to believe that you NEED to kill a deer to survive? So please spare me your decent to others who choose to shoot and KILL what they want, when they want to. Everyone who is on this site hunts for pure pleasure. Sure we enjoy the meat but we don't depend on it. If that was the case then you have no business owning a computer and spending money monthly for an ISP when you could use that money to feed your family, so get real.
You want to hunt big antlered deer and does only....good for you but don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining saying you do it for "the health of the herd" you do it so you can make easier to kill big antlered deer.
You expect me (and others) to believe that just because you hunt only large antlered deer and does that you are some kind of true hunter????
Because others chose to kill a younger buck they are just killers??
I don't know why I even wasted my time responding to this post.