WHA Question
#11
RE: WHA Question
ORIGINAL: HNIJustin
Herein lies the very problem. We don't people to accept the WHA as some watered-down form of what hunting really is. Hunters kill animals. Period. If the "maintstream public" does not accept this, then they do not accept hunting.
ORIGINAL: Windwalker7
I actually believe nonhunters will except this over real hunting, just for the fact that the animals don't get killed.
I actually believe nonhunters will except this over real hunting, just for the fact that the animals don't get killed.
#12
RE: WHA Question
Are you a plant for the WHA? Hve you looked at the polls on this site?On Archerytalk,on bowsite? If gals and guys who spend significant time on these primary hunting industry sites don't have the pulse of the avid hunting community than who does?Every poll on these sites shows the overwhelming majority of hunters opposed to the idea.
The WHA and what they are proposing sickens me!
The WHA and what they are proposing sickens me!
#13
RE: WHA Question
ORIGINAL: Windwalker7
I actually believe nonhunters will except this over real hunting, just for the fact that the animals don't get killed.
I hear it all the time from friends and relatives that don't hunt. "Why do you kill these poor defensless deer?" If I told them I was just tranquilizing them and getting a picture, they probably wouldn't care then.
I can understand the point of commercializing hunting. That might not be a good thing.
I actually believe nonhunters will except this over real hunting, just for the fact that the animals don't get killed.
I hear it all the time from friends and relatives that don't hunt. "Why do you kill these poor defensless deer?" If I told them I was just tranquilizing them and getting a picture, they probably wouldn't care then.
I can understand the point of commercializing hunting. That might not be a good thing.
Commercializing hunting happened one other time and it all but abolished the American Bison. Nothing good can come of commercializing hunting.
Don't think that the anti arena is following this very closely. If this becomes an acceptable form of hunting (which it is not) domino's will fall in order.
#14
RE: WHA Question
No plant. Just don't see it that way. Every year there are fewer and fewer hunters. We hunters are not accepted on TV or in the media.
With all the issues of gun control and animal rights, I do feel that hunting is on a downhill slide and someday will be abolished.
People from the big cities don't accept hunting like people from the country. With all the urban sprawl, we lose hunting ground everyday.
I guess I feel that something like this will at least get people to look at hunting and maybe understand more than they did before. JMO
I look at what the BASS tournaments did for fishing. I think it got more people involved in fishing than there were before.
I will admit that I do see some of your points. Yes, it may make the public more against hunting. I can see things going that way too.
Here's my point. For the last few years I've been thinking of quiting hunting. I've taken too many deer, to the point that I actually feel quite guilty for taking its life.
When I was younger, I hunted all the time and killed lots of game. I hunted 2 states with gun and bow and averaged 6-7 deer a year for 17 years. I guess the killing part of it got me. I use to like the killing part but now I have much regret.
I like being in the woods and experiencing the sights, sounds and smells. I love everthing about hunting leading up to the shot. But when I walk up to that dead deer, I wish I never shot it.
I just looked at this WHA as something that interested me.
I don't expect you guys to understand.
I can see that you guys are worried in the future of hunting and I guess that maybe this WHA might not be a good thing. You make some valid points.
With all the issues of gun control and animal rights, I do feel that hunting is on a downhill slide and someday will be abolished.
People from the big cities don't accept hunting like people from the country. With all the urban sprawl, we lose hunting ground everyday.
I guess I feel that something like this will at least get people to look at hunting and maybe understand more than they did before. JMO
I look at what the BASS tournaments did for fishing. I think it got more people involved in fishing than there were before.
I will admit that I do see some of your points. Yes, it may make the public more against hunting. I can see things going that way too.
Here's my point. For the last few years I've been thinking of quiting hunting. I've taken too many deer, to the point that I actually feel quite guilty for taking its life.
When I was younger, I hunted all the time and killed lots of game. I hunted 2 states with gun and bow and averaged 6-7 deer a year for 17 years. I guess the killing part of it got me. I use to like the killing part but now I have much regret.
I like being in the woods and experiencing the sights, sounds and smells. I love everthing about hunting leading up to the shot. But when I walk up to that dead deer, I wish I never shot it.
I just looked at this WHA as something that interested me.
I don't expect you guys to understand.
I can see that you guys are worried in the future of hunting and I guess that maybe this WHA might not be a good thing. You make some valid points.
#15
Join Date: May 2006
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Posts: 22
RE: WHA Question
ORIGINAL: LEGACY45
To me WHA ain't now or never will be anything considered HUNTING. To hunt you kill or at least try to. What they are doing is playing paint ball war but drugging the animal. And who really knows what effect it will have on the animals. And it is also going to paint a bad picture of what we all really love to do. And for me its not even about the actual harvest of the animal. Its what takes place before and after. And you can't get that watchin some yahoo drugging a deer on tv for money.
To me WHA ain't now or never will be anything considered HUNTING. To hunt you kill or at least try to. What they are doing is playing paint ball war but drugging the animal. And who really knows what effect it will have on the animals. And it is also going to paint a bad picture of what we all really love to do. And for me its not even about the actual harvest of the animal. Its what takes place before and after. And you can't get that watchin some yahoo drugging a deer on tv for money.
I would think if its not "about the actual harvest" then it would be really about everything that leads up to the shot that kills it, tranquilizes it, paintballs it, blunts it, or god forbid the shot that ends up missing the darn critter. Or gosh I never thought about it but maybe it could be all about everything leading up to the shot thatwounds the deer but doesnt kill it?
To me its all hunting because to get close to an animal in order to do all of the above you have to "hunt" the animal.
"And it is also going to paint a bad picture on what we all really love to do.." --- Hunters paint that picture already and they paint it about as well as my 5 year old nephew paints. It looks like a mess.
Read the article I posted earlier by James Swan. He is the man!
http://www.jamesswan.com/Villians,%20Fools%20and%20Heroes.htm
Here are a few quotes in his article:
"The Fish & Wildlife survey also asked about the image of the hunter. The response provides insight into the vulnerability of hunting. Sixty-two percent of those surveyed believed that "a lot" of hunters broke hunting laws or practiced unsafe behavior, such as drinking to excess and firing guns recklessly. These polls show that the non-hunting majority don't have much of a problem with HUNTING, but they do have a problem with HUNTERS....if hunting is going to survive this negative image has to be changed."
"The people that must be reached are those who may not have ever fired a gun, sat in a duck blind, or thrilled at taking your first buck. Non-hunters need to understand the drama, excitement and motivations of the ethical hunter, but prime time shows with hunting as a major or minor theme are about as a common as white deer."
You really need to read the entire article to understand my point. Or maybe you just wont ever get it.
Unfortunately, you cant go kill deer on primetime so why not dart them and get their attention and also educate them about traditional hunting. Darting isnt legal outside of a fence and the public cant get the drugs to do it anyway...This can be an opportunity to get primetime coverage. Hell its alreadymaking its wayafter the Daily Show does their little run thru of this controversy.
#16
RE: WHA Question
ORIGINAL: Windwalker7
Here's my point. For the last few years I've been thinking of quiting hunting. I've taken too many deer, to the point that I actually feel quite guilty for taking its life.
I like being in the woods and experiencing the sights, sounds and smells. I love everthing about hunting leading up to the shot. But when I walk up to that dead deer, I wish I never shot it.
I don't expect you guys to understand.
I can see that you guys are worried in the future of hunting and I guess that maybe this WHA might not be a good thing. You make some valid points.
Here's my point. For the last few years I've been thinking of quiting hunting. I've taken too many deer, to the point that I actually feel quite guilty for taking its life.
I like being in the woods and experiencing the sights, sounds and smells. I love everthing about hunting leading up to the shot. But when I walk up to that dead deer, I wish I never shot it.
I don't expect you guys to understand.
I can see that you guys are worried in the future of hunting and I guess that maybe this WHA might not be a good thing. You make some valid points.
The thing about the WHA is that I not for anything that jepordizes that and nothing good can come from the WHA. Too many sportsmen and women across the nation stepping up against says, we all feel that way, majority speaking. Anyone truly standing up for it is looking for a handout, part of it or wanting hunting to go away and I truly believe that.
#17
RE: WHA Question
never had to hunt my dog,horse,cows etc. get close to them everyday
My point was yes the harvest is important it keeps down infections and such and I do like the harvest. It is a major part of hunting which shooting a druggeddart into a deer is not.Which IMO WHA will not ever be a hunting anything. If it was just about the harvest it would be no different than walking out in the pasture and shooting a cow. Don't know if I confused you yet but anyway have a good one[8D]
My point was yes the harvest is important it keeps down infections and such and I do like the harvest. It is a major part of hunting which shooting a druggeddart into a deer is not.Which IMO WHA will not ever be a hunting anything. If it was just about the harvest it would be no different than walking out in the pasture and shooting a cow. Don't know if I confused you yet but anyway have a good one[8D]
#18
RE: WHA Question
Or gosh I never thought about it but maybe it could be all about everything leading up to the shot thatwounds the deer but doesnt kill it?
To me its all hunting because to get close to an animal in order to do all of the above you have to "hunt" the animal.
Here are a few quotes in his article:
"The Fish & Wildlife survey also asked about the image of the hunter. The response provides insight into the vulnerability of hunting. Sixty-two percent of those surveyed believed that "a lot" of hunters broke hunting laws or practiced unsafe behavior, such as drinking to excess and firing guns recklessly. These polls show that the non-hunting majority don't have much of a problem with HUNTING, but they do have a problem with HUNTERS....if hunting is going to survive this negative image has to be changed."
"The people that must be reached are those who may not have ever fired a gun, sat in a duck blind, or thrilled at taking your first buck. Non-hunters need to understand the drama, excitement and motivations of the ethical hunter, but prime time shows with hunting as a major or minor theme are about as a common as white deer."
You really need to read the entire article to understand my point. Or maybe you just wont ever get it.
"The Fish & Wildlife survey also asked about the image of the hunter. The response provides insight into the vulnerability of hunting. Sixty-two percent of those surveyed believed that "a lot" of hunters broke hunting laws or practiced unsafe behavior, such as drinking to excess and firing guns recklessly. These polls show that the non-hunting majority don't have much of a problem with HUNTING, but they do have a problem with HUNTERS....if hunting is going to survive this negative image has to be changed."
"The people that must be reached are those who may not have ever fired a gun, sat in a duck blind, or thrilled at taking your first buck. Non-hunters need to understand the drama, excitement and motivations of the ethical hunter, but prime time shows with hunting as a major or minor theme are about as a common as white deer."
You really need to read the entire article to understand my point. Or maybe you just wont ever get it.
Unfortunately, you cant go kill deer on primetime so why not dart them and get their attention and also educate them about traditional hunting.
Darting isnt legal outside of a fence and the public cant get the drugs to do it anyway...This can be an opportunity to get primetime coverage. Hell its alreadymaking its wayafter the Daily Show does their little run thru of this controversy.
But I know I wasted the internet space by responding to you, it's clear you either belong to the WHA, want to belong to the WHA and you'll do anything to promote your agenda, again, not unlike PETA.
#19
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: IOWA/25' UP
Posts: 7,145
RE: WHA Question
What others have stated and I see it as a stepping stone in outlawing hunting with real weapons. I could seecity people ,uneducatedon the whole hunting aspect, passing laws only allowing this type of hunting;a catch and release method. The anti's are already wanting to use birth control on doe deer instead of allowing the population to be kept in check by hunters.By themseeing this it could give them ideas about having this implemented into a way as to also give does a birth control shot with a tranqualizer and passing laws requiring only this type of hunting. Population control has always been on the hunter's side with the non-hunting general public. We don't need to give them any ideas. I can't think of any pros from this type of catch and release hunting.HCH
#20
Join Date: May 2006
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Posts: 22
RE: WHA Question
ORIGINAL: tsoc
Are you a plant for the WHA? Hve you looked at the polls on this site?On Archerytalk,on bowsite? If gals and guys who spend significant time on these primary hunting industry sites don't have the pulse of the avid hunting community than who does?Every poll on these sites shows the overwhelming majority of hunters opposed to the idea.
The WHA and what they are proposing sickens me!
Are you a plant for the WHA? Hve you looked at the polls on this site?On Archerytalk,on bowsite? If gals and guys who spend significant time on these primary hunting industry sites don't have the pulse of the avid hunting community than who does?Every poll on these sites shows the overwhelming majority of hunters opposed to the idea.
The WHA and what they are proposing sickens me!
You are on your computer way too much if you really believe hunting chat rooms are representative of hunters. The only people that speak up are the bitter crybabies on this site and the others...Ive been over at AT for a long time and its the same ole stuff. Bunch of babies that hide behind screens and cant make a decent argument when one is brought up upon them. Instead they personally attack you and call you an idiot or say you are an anti, or in this case a "plant"...
Windwalker made an observation and offered some discussion, but again people go attacking him just like everyone else when they speak up. Didnt you ever think that some good people around here (like Windwalker)just dont like to argue with people they dont know or frankly they dont want to waste their breath because these forums were supposed to be for hunters to help hunters, not argue amongst them. Those people PM me over at Archery Talk and say "im not wasting my time on those guys"...
If you havent noticed, sitting here trying to open peoples minds to other ideas is an exhausting one.
Im gonna go have a glass of wine and catch up on emails. I will check back later and seeif any of thefreaks come out tonight on this thread