I started with a 37" bow and quickly decided I wanted a short one mostly for hunting out of a blind and a treestand. I ended up buying a used 33" Patriot and now realize that to go shorter is really not necessary. There is a reason why the Switchback and the alliegiance are both the flaghips and both @33 inches. I love my Patriot, its fast, smooth, has a great valley and back wall.

Great points Terry! I am starting to warm up to the Patriot as well. It's nearly as fast as the Allegiance 326 vs. 328 fps advertised. I also like the idea of have the added adjustability of the single cam bow for tweaking purposes.
The things I don't like is the patriot is 03-04 technology (not 05 like the Allegiance and the Binary cams) and likecomputers things become obsolete SO fast that I like the idea of having a bow that keeps up to the competion (speed and technology wise) for as long as possible.
How do the prices I'm finding compare to other areas?

Hollow Point

One thing to consider about the allegiance ( and the Switchback I believe) is that it is cam specific which means it can't be changed over without switching cams vs a module for the Patriot. To me 2 FPS means nothing so the speed thing really doesn't mean much. But when you go to sell the Patriot you will have a better chance of moving it because of its added versatility. Not knocking the Allegiance as I realize its state of the art but that doesn't mean much to the deer really. As for bows being obsolete a couple years after introduction, thats just effective marketing from the manufacturers. They do improve them marginally with new models but the differences are usually quite minor I would think.

After weighing out how much each FPS of arrow speed was going to cost I went ahead and bought the Patriot (since it was such a good buy).
The fellow who is going to set it up for me said he will be able to get another 1-3 fps out of the bow by doing some fine speed tuning and "cable twisting". If that's the case I'll have Allegience speed with an adjustable single cam bow.

Thanks for the tips.

Hollow Point

When it comes to speed, the dual cam bows and equalizer cam bows are spot on for what they are ibo rated for. This is not always the case with the singles. In fact, out of 4 single patriots or single vft's, I have only seen one that is close to its ibo. I may get flamed for this, but Id say you can set your watch by the fact that the patriot single will be 10-12 fps slower than the allegiance of the same draw length. It could be more if you compare apples to apples. A 28 in patriot single will pull at least a half in longer than an alllegiance. Juast keep this stuff in mind.I own 3 bowtechs. Two duallys and one equalizer cam bow.

Thanks, no I'm not pissed off. I am bit disapointed in myslef for not actually going back and shooting my three finalst bows on last time. Maybe it's not too late? I want to shoot the Defender, the Patriot and the Allegience all at the same 70lb draw weight AND draw length this time through the chrono and afterward and blindfolded being aimed by someone.
I should have caught what you said above myself when I shot the small bows. On paper the Mighty Mite should have crushed the Defender BUT it actually was beaten by it by over 10 fps in my chrono testing. So, hum?????
I was having a hard time trying to convince my heart to be happy with the bow my head told me to get (the good deal bow) and now I think it will be damn near impossible.
I think it's time to go to the range just one more time before the buyers remorse REALLY sets in.

Thanks

Hollow Point