Switchback or Allegiance?
#21
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From: Claremore, OK. USA
Extreme - I have not chronoed the Allegience yet. I will let you know as soon as I do.
Not sure what your implying Joe, but you know some stock, Chevy 350's, grossly outperform others. It's pretty amazing isn't it?
Not sure what your implying Joe, but you know some stock, Chevy 350's, grossly outperform others. It's pretty amazing isn't it?
#23
Nontypical Buck
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From: Eastern PA USA
Dale:
The only thing I am implying is that you have one heck of a bow there, and that most of the Switchback speeds I've been hearing about on the various forums seem to be more like
29/70/400gr. at about 285 or so.
It seems like you have a Switchback that is shooting Allegiance speeds, pretty much. If you have one like that, then obviously the speed difference between them is not very important. If you have one more like the typical Switchback speeds being posted, then the speed difference may or may not be important enough to consider, depending on your point of view.
There is a thread on AT about a Martin Shadowcat that is maybe 20 fps slower than the owner figures it should be. It is much easier to be happy with a bow like yours than one like the Shadowcat guy has.
The only thing I am implying is that you have one heck of a bow there, and that most of the Switchback speeds I've been hearing about on the various forums seem to be more like
29/70/400gr. at about 285 or so.
It seems like you have a Switchback that is shooting Allegiance speeds, pretty much. If you have one like that, then obviously the speed difference between them is not very important. If you have one more like the typical Switchback speeds being posted, then the speed difference may or may not be important enough to consider, depending on your point of view.
There is a thread on AT about a Martin Shadowcat that is maybe 20 fps slower than the owner figures it should be. It is much easier to be happy with a bow like yours than one like the Shadowcat guy has.
#24
Nontypical Buck
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From: Kerrville, Tx. USA
The good thing about this decision is that there is NO wrong answer. Both bows are much, much, much more than adequate.
Also, the discussion about one bow being faster than the other is fun to talk about, but has no bearing on which bow is better. Both bows have speed that is MORE than needed to kill any game on this continent. Dead is dead. I would bet that arrow drop between the two is pretty negilable too.
If you have the opportunity to shoot both bows, then by all means do so and pick the one that feels the best to you. As for me personally, I have shot only the switchback, and it was awesome to me, so I am getting one and I don't really care what the other bow feels like. I will be happy with the switchback. Had I shot the Alliance first and liked it, the same could be said about it.
Good luck. Might need to flip a coin?
Also, the discussion about one bow being faster than the other is fun to talk about, but has no bearing on which bow is better. Both bows have speed that is MORE than needed to kill any game on this continent. Dead is dead. I would bet that arrow drop between the two is pretty negilable too.
If you have the opportunity to shoot both bows, then by all means do so and pick the one that feels the best to you. As for me personally, I have shot only the switchback, and it was awesome to me, so I am getting one and I don't really care what the other bow feels like. I will be happy with the switchback. Had I shot the Alliance first and liked it, the same could be said about it.
Good luck. Might need to flip a coin?
#25
Joined: Feb 2005
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From: Gillett, PA
I shot the Mathews Switchback and Outback. I shot the Hoyt Vtec and Xtec. I shot the Allegiance and Black Knight from Bowtech. I found that they all are excellent bows. Anyone that says one brand or another is crap is full of crap. They all have pros and cons. I will say that I was blown away by the Allegiance and now own one. Shoot them all and find the one that fits you best.
#26
Fork Horn
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Missouri
Well I told myself I was going to shoot both the Allegiance and the Switchback before I bought either one but I shot the Switchback first and loved the way it felt, it had plenty enough speed and was by far the quietest bow I had ever shot, so I bought it. Im still looking forward to shooting the Allegiance, I hope I didnt make a mistake.
#27
I just seen this post, and I had to add a reply. These are the very two bows that I'm trying to decide between myself. I currently have an older Mathew's Ultra-Light that's on it's 9th season this year. This is by far the longest I ever kept a bow, since I always traded up every other year. BUT!!! This time around, the Bowtech has really caught my eye, and I'm deciding on which one to get!! As soon as my income tax return comes back from Uncle Sammy, I'm buying a new bow!! So, it sure looks like another Bowtech shooter is on board!!
#28
Joined: Feb 2005
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Maytom:
I have been thinking about these two bows for a while and I've shot both on multiple occasions. So for it's worth, I thought I'd share my thoughts. I don't think that one is clearly superior, both have pluses and minuses. I've never owned either. I am a PSE shooter to this point.
As for the Allegiance: It is fast (284 fps, 29", 60lbs, 380 gr.) ! It has a ROCK SOLID back wall. It has little hand shock and is very quiet. If speed is your top priority, it is the winner. However it has a few drawbacks. First off, anyone that says the Allegiance has a smoother, or even as smooth, a draw cycle as the SB, must have got a radically different production batch then the ones I've shot. Can you not feel the hump right before the break? It is pretty smooth relative to some older hard cam bows I've shot, but is not in the same class as the SB. Not even close. Also, the 60 lb allegiance felt to pull significantly harder than the 62 lb SB (maybe that's just me). Another problem with the Bowtech, is my buddy's new Allegiance has some finish problems. It has a lot of little spots where the camo is flaking. These are tiny little spots, but the thing is only 1 month old. It's obviously doesn't affect performance, but it would bug me.
As for the Switchback: It's still fast (this one I haven't chronographed) just my feeling from shooting them. It is ultra smooth and quite. It does have a little bit of hand vibration, but while I've shot several SBs, none have had a stabilizer or any extra dampers on them beyond what they come with. I looked at some old Mathews and the finish still looked fairly decent so I'm guessing it will hold up on the SB. I don't like the fact that you have to change the cam to change the drawlength, but that is the same with the Allegiance. I also don't like the fact that you can't change the let off. You can change it on the Allegiance.
All that said, I'm 98% sure I'm going to go to my dealer and order a Switchback this week. It was just a pleasure to shoot.
I have been thinking about these two bows for a while and I've shot both on multiple occasions. So for it's worth, I thought I'd share my thoughts. I don't think that one is clearly superior, both have pluses and minuses. I've never owned either. I am a PSE shooter to this point.
As for the Allegiance: It is fast (284 fps, 29", 60lbs, 380 gr.) ! It has a ROCK SOLID back wall. It has little hand shock and is very quiet. If speed is your top priority, it is the winner. However it has a few drawbacks. First off, anyone that says the Allegiance has a smoother, or even as smooth, a draw cycle as the SB, must have got a radically different production batch then the ones I've shot. Can you not feel the hump right before the break? It is pretty smooth relative to some older hard cam bows I've shot, but is not in the same class as the SB. Not even close. Also, the 60 lb allegiance felt to pull significantly harder than the 62 lb SB (maybe that's just me). Another problem with the Bowtech, is my buddy's new Allegiance has some finish problems. It has a lot of little spots where the camo is flaking. These are tiny little spots, but the thing is only 1 month old. It's obviously doesn't affect performance, but it would bug me.
As for the Switchback: It's still fast (this one I haven't chronographed) just my feeling from shooting them. It is ultra smooth and quite. It does have a little bit of hand vibration, but while I've shot several SBs, none have had a stabilizer or any extra dampers on them beyond what they come with. I looked at some old Mathews and the finish still looked fairly decent so I'm guessing it will hold up on the SB. I don't like the fact that you have to change the cam to change the drawlength, but that is the same with the Allegiance. I also don't like the fact that you can't change the let off. You can change it on the Allegiance.
All that said, I'm 98% sure I'm going to go to my dealer and order a Switchback this week. It was just a pleasure to shoot.
#29
Fork Horn
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I'd go with a Bowtech, tested one of those with their newer cams and after shooting these past few years with old wooden limbs i can tell you this it was like driving an old Volkswagon and then suddenly stepping into a Formula1 racer.


