252g Powerbelt Hollowpoint
07-31-2015 | 07:22 AM
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Maybe two test. One for those who like to blast through bone, and one for those who don't.
Poor Ron. We're shooting all his ammo for him.
07-31-2015 | 07:25 AM
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I never had problems with the 338gr platinum pb's on elk. I shoot 100grs of 777. The last cow I killed was a med size. The bullet made a complete pass through at 50 yrds. I shot it right behind the shoulder standing broadside. I did discover that if I shoot less than 80gr or more than 100gr the accuracy of those bullets suck. I zero at 75 yds and shooting 110grs of powder makes the group go from around a inch to almost 3. I quit with 120grs just because I barely could keep them on a pie plate.
It's funny, guys will use the 460gr NoExcuse, but then rag on the 250gr PB for not performing as well.
07-31-2015 | 07:26 AM
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Years ago when tags were liberal here, i killed 5 deer with a well known bullet. Upon opening the first one, i didn't really like what i saw in there. Nor did i like what i saw inside deer 2, and 3. Deer 4 almost got away. Diligent tracking after the snow ran out on a South slope, and luck put that deer in our freezer.
After killing the fifth deer with that bullet i switched to using the Nosler bullet in the muzzle loader. Wow, wow, what a difference! Tissue damage using the Nosler was astounding!. Now, years later, i have never used that other bullet again.
That bullet i used to kill 5 deer, was a failure, yes it was.
07-31-2015 | 07:29 AM
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Some can't kill deer with a PB. Others can do better.
The wife drew a muzzleloader cow tag for CO this year. I've always shot the T/C Shockwave out of my CVA Accura II, but as you all know they aren't legal in CO. So I tried the Aerolites. WOW! The 250 grain Aerolite with 100 grains of Blackhorn 209 powder shot consistent 2" groups at 100 yards with open sights. The first afternoon of her elk hunt she took a nice cow at 90 yards. The cow went about 30 yards after the shot leaving a massive blood trail. Good job PowerBelt!
The wife drew a muzzleloader cow tag for CO this year. I've always shot the T/C Shockwave out of my CVA Accura II, but as you all know they aren't legal in CO. So I tried the Aerolites. WOW! The 250 grain Aerolite with 100 grains of Blackhorn 209 powder shot consistent 2" groups at 100 yards with open sights. The first afternoon of her elk hunt she took a nice cow at 90 yards. The cow went about 30 yards after the shot leaving a massive blood trail. Good job PowerBelt!
07-31-2015 | 07:34 AM
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Ron..........I know you're trying to simulate a hide with the plywood and carpet, but I think it's a bit much for expanding bullets. Especially, for deer.
Your test would be good for rhino hunting.
How about just water bottles to let the bullet penetrate some before expanding?
Your test would be good for rhino hunting.
How about just water bottles to let the bullet penetrate some before expanding?
What i saw happen to that deer is exactly what happened to the carpet, plywood, and water jugs. NO, using the carpet, and plywood will not be ceased any time soon.
07-31-2015 | 07:46 AM
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I think his test is weak actually. The ideal thing would be to simulate hide and bone. And he should of stayed at 50grns by volume on the powder. Most people use between 90 and 110grns by volume. Those muzzle velocities aren't that high and when you look at them at 100 yards they would be right around the 50grns by volume tests he was doing.
Me, i found the 50g tests to be very educational. They illustrated to me, why some of the deer i have shot at 150 yard, don't seem to stop any time soon.
Further, it was a surprise to me that there was only one bullet that performed as designed when 50g of powder was used. Hollow points, and tipped bullets just plugged. Even soft points failed, because the speed was too low. Yep, if i had young children, they would all be shooting the Lehigh Controlled Fracturing bullet, pushed by modest powder charges. It would be comforting to absolutely KNOW, the bullet will do it's job.
07-31-2015 | 08:00 AM
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Someone needs to send you some deer hide. I bet the bullets will perform better than the carpet/plywood.
I appreciate what you're doing, but I feel it's more of a torture test than a simulation. An easily expanding bullet will never do well in the test. Other than a bullet like a Bloodline that will blow off the petals with any resistance, and is just like a hard cast bullet after that. Bullets that are known game killers could look bad in the test.
I appreciate what you're doing, but I feel it's more of a torture test than a simulation. An easily expanding bullet will never do well in the test. Other than a bullet like a Bloodline that will blow off the petals with any resistance, and is just like a hard cast bullet after that. Bullets that are known game killers could look bad in the test.
07-31-2015 | 08:09 AM
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Well, I think I can speak for the other 99% of us hunters that don't always make the perfect shot. As a matter of fact i watch professional hunters all the time on TV makeing terrible shots actually. So Muley, it's great what your capable of doing but for most it's not reality.
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