Guess this guy just got lucky and got one good bullet out of all them bad ones you shot. 100 gr load of bh209 and a barnes .195 expander and a complete pass through DRT.

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Oh, forgot to mention 190 yds lol..

Lol...I shot a Deer 12 years ago with a 22 Hornet. Complete pass thru and the Doe went only 25yds. Distance was about 90yds. No such thing as DRT, but pretty close to that.

What this all means..........absolutely nothing. Lol

Im 100% sure i said MANY CFs and that includes 45/70 ect and numerous Mag pistol rounds that are required in some states. 50 Alaskan would come to mind but it shoots almost entirely huge slugs at less fps. 50 Beowulf, 458 SOCOM and the 35Rem is probably no better and many 30-30s arent exactly 200 yard tack drivers.

Many is much different than ALL and a Savage will easily match a 450 Marlin too in ballistics. Swinglocks new sabotlesss MLs are using bullets with over .300 BC and doing very well if you want to take it to the next level with his 416 or 6.5 guns



Like i said, it takes some deep pockets if you really want to play but i draw the line at sabotless with smokeless. The PSI is just getting too high for my tastes.

Grouse the fact is your bad mouthing a barnes 195 gr bullet.from reading posts that you were involved in you clearly stated they were the knight red hots. yes made by Barnes. problem is they were made with the little tiny hollow point that indeed did not expand. the .195 expander MZ has a hollow point the same size as a .200 gr Lehigh. your bad mouthing the wrong bullet. i have tried to tell you this in the past, but as usual you ignore that fact completely, why? because you want to toot your lil horn about the Lehighs.a 200 sst,xtp no contest next to a .195 gr expander bullet. not even in the same league.SCHILL Away just do it elsewhere!!

The 195gr Expander has a .20-.22 HP? Mine don't but my Lehighs are pretty close to that. I can take out a allen wrench and get a better measurement if you want.

The 40cal Expander looks like it has a much smaller hp to me?


The Lehigh 275gr's HP were just over 5mm across the flats.

Gm, your absolutely correct,i was thinking of the other expander bullets, although it doesn't really matter where the Schill is concerned, since he bad mouths all of the Banes bullets on a regular basis. the .195 barnes is still a excellent bullet regardless.i have just about has enough of Schills like him only posting when he wants to advertise his wares. or when someone else makes a comment about his pet products, regardless if the comments are good or bad.the facts are the expander MZ line are terminal terrorists in the bullet world and the TEZ Also.ego maniacs like him push people from trying products..nuff said

Oh,one last thing, this Schill will go as far as to want to use a .45 cal 200 gr bullet on a ELK! with a load of BH well over what is considered max. to try and prove a point about his pet bullet. i find this disturbing and highly unethical..to even consider trying it! Ray

Like most, I never believe a salesman...... and you sir are a salesman, shill whatever you want to call yourself.. but, please do not call yourself an outdoorsman... you are very far from one, and take away from those of us that are..... it is people like you that has ruined my thoughts of many companies!

But, we have had this talk before. And no matter the reason they had one. so, must have been a good reason, why would anyone want to listen to a guy that was such a problem, he was removed from a board, we all visit.

And again i think we have had this conversation before also, I grew up along time ago so if you are the one to teach a ole dog new tricks and are wanting to teach me the hard way. next time your close to Indianapolis, PM me we can meet up for a drink and discuss our differences....

Got that right, he is why i will not shoot a knight or lehigh bullets...

Well and the fact that dead is dead and as long as hornady is around, I do not have to pay a $1 a bullet for a lehigh... when after 15+ deer has never made more than two steps with a $.48 SST..

But in a shill's world the lehigh is a superior bullet, Why? the deer is no more dead, do they advertise that with the seperating petals they are better on a marginal shot......I don't know about you guys but i consider myself an outdoorsman and as one I practice to hit where i aim and do not take marginal shots....

But this is the same reason i don't watch hunting shows. its all about pushing the product and usually at a higher price because some shill uses it or has his name on it!!!!!