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I don't like the forum salesmen either but several of them have helped make the final product near perfect BY posting in the forums. The first version of the Lehigh conversion was ok but because those involved in its production were on the forum....The GenII was awesome.

The Western Kit was also just ok and because it was posted, the final version looks much better IMO. I even posted when i first saw it that it could use more meat to protect the shooter but still meet the requirements.

Looks like Lehigh/Knight listened to the members of the forum and made the changes me an others suggested. Dont be fooled, Knight, MMP and even Green Mountain Barrel have people on sites that seldom post and or only just read the threads.

If the "shills" that post lead to a better end product, i can tolerate it. When they are so biased they wont even push a cheaper product from the same sponsor but it performs just as well...then they make me sick too.

Ive yet to see that the 300gr Thor is worse than the 250gr and its cheaper...as one example. TB hyped Crushribs but barely paid any attention to the Smooths. So then he tells people to use Teflon tape to make them fit better and keep buying the more expensive Crushribs????

A REAL shill is easy to spot.

mike, rationalize any way you like....and this advertisement scheme may be good for some....but, pesonally.....I do not like it!!! And your right, I dont have to read it, I can ignore it and usually do but still like to throw it out there on occasion...just as my public service announcement...to let people know there are reasons these guys are here taking the time to hype a product......Not Paid----free equipment=paid.

So i guess this will be our heated disagreement....I do not like shilling and no matter how it is spun....I never will!!!

As far as being a tester myself......I am, i see a product that i want to try...i save my money and go buy it and hope like hell the research i did for the product was good enough that i think to myself, i made a wise decision....

Like the lehigh's why someone would intentional buy a fragmenting bullet, blows my mind.....I mean in the day we would shoot bullets and judge them on the weight retention after the hit......and a good bullet was one that held together.....

Then why not just use pyro and place more limits on yourself in YOUR inlines. I see NO difference in the analogy if its load from the muzzle, its a muzzleloader. The barrels are made to much higher SAAMI standards and IMO so should all ML barrels that recommend 3 pellet loads. You didn't seem to mind mentioning smokeless conversion in your ad for your Rem700ml you sold??? Is it ok only if it benefits you?

I have one shot and carry 2 more in my pocket. Even a single shot CF takes less time to reload. CF now serves other purposes for me and very few involve hunting large game that require tags. Some state "firearms" seasons are slug gun or straight wall pistol type CFs ONLY but you can use a ML with any powder you want. Should they be restricted too with the quality of modern slug guns and the new slugs?

Trying to tell us something....Are you shooting out of the lock hole of your trunk???? do we need to get homeland involved???

that is because we are locked into our coventional thought process - i was too. But in europe thay have been using this type of bullet for years - it is a proven by other users - using much smaller caliber rifles than you or i would ever use to hunt big game with.

And if you only knew the other places this bullet were being used you might be amazed.

Sometime if you get a chance go look at the Lehigh Defense Web Site might give you some ideas who else is using this bullet because of its terminal performance.

I understand the performance you can get from specialized muzzleloaders, but they will always have one flaw. No quick 2nd shot. I don't mean for a 2nd shot on game, but on animal that's trying to kill me. I hunt high altitude timber alone. I accept the limitations of a muzzleloader. No 2nd shot being one of them.

Even though I have a lot of years with muzzleloaders. I have more with CF guns. I know which one is more effective.

Muzzleloaders are fun to hunt with, but for my timber hunting. A Marlin 336 lever in .308 is the perfect gun. If I come to a meadow and need a long shot. I might hesitate with a ML, but not the Marlin.

If I could change Colorado laws, i'd have a separate primitive ML season. Then stick the inlines in rifle season. It wouldn't be popular to anybody but real muzzleloader hunters.

My point is made by you comparing muzzleloaders to CF guns. They shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath, but are getting closer and closer. Soon, they'll be equal, and make no sense.

That is exactly what I was trying to say, I do not begrudge you for using real smokeless... heck if you like use it... I just do not like the ideal.

And there are other folks (traditionalists) on this and every other forum that feel the same way you do about me using T7 and especially in a side hammer or even in an inline or even using a inline. I understand their point also and they have valid concerns but since I am following the rules as you are... what can I say.

I did? I do not remember that at all... I have never used smokeless in anything other than CF. And I can not believe i would have said that to anyone to use smokeless (other than BH) in that conversion I created for the M700. It was nothing but a Canadian nipple and a regular Remington Breech plug.

And again Scott - i really do not care that you use a smokeless ML - I just see no advantage to me using one

The 300gr isn't cheaper. You only get 14 300gr, and 15 250gr.

I'm guessing it's because Terry uses the same package for both, and 15 300gr won't fit. The 250gr are actually cheaper.

Oh I am not questioning the killing or stopping power but more about breaking a tooth on a piece of brass, while enjoying a leg roast...

But that is one of the features... It would be very difficult for that to happen... the petals are so light they can not travel in a meat medium. If and that is a big IF, they were to come off in the meat they would remain in the wound channel. The way the bullet is desinged and the way the petal breakage occurs it has to be in a near liquid medium.

according to the State of south Dakota you have a bigger change of ingesting lead from a modern lead copper bullet thant you do of finding a petal in your meat. Will not say it couldn't happen but it would really be tough.

Even if you were to shoot an animal through the shoulder, bones and all, the petals will not come off until the bullet gets a liquid medium. They may open but for them to reach 40* they need velocity and liquid.