You mentioned in the ad that it would be a good platform for a SML conversion and i agree it would be. I think its better than a Savage myself....with the proper mods.

We are getting off topic though and things are coming across that may be interpreted as hostile. The buttflappers give us inline guys enough grief and my favorite ML is still my GMB54 and will be for years. Only the NULA comes close and only because its so light and well made.

Plus since its Chucks old gun its special to me. The Savage really doesn't trip my trigger unless i want to test my pain threshold. I will probably never hunt with it in its present form.

ATM im most interested in a faster twist 45cal sabotless rifle for use with BH209 or any sub that will work. Im not one of the "cowboys" as ive been called who push the limits into the 50K psi range with smokeless/sabotless. My loads are well within max sub pressures and just as safe when used with caution. Cleaning them when i want is a nice plus too.

Each powder i use serves a purpose just like any powder you put in a cartridge. I just feel we are getting screwed over by the IMR sub monopoly and the best way i can fight back is going smokeless when i can. I hope this new powder puts a dent in Westerns sales enough to get its cost down or sell it by the pound. I hope it works great in my 45s with sabots. If it is all its cracked up to be, BYE BYE BH209 except for special loads.

Correct I remember that now - many people were seaching out Remington 70's for smokeless conversion. I hope I never implied that the 700 I was selling was ready to shoot smokeless,

No intention of hostility here - two different people with different trains of thought... I think we can still do that here in America, but the way the Republicans are going in Idaho - we might loose that ability to if we do not like who they like for the next governor.

Politics - tht wuld be an interesting discussion!

I can not say the BYE-Bye bit I still use it for testing and comparison purposes...

Got some Super Duper powder you can have though...

To be honest. I don't see a huge difference in performance between BH and Swiss. Swiss is dirty, but patches are cheap.

I'm looking for a powder for all my muzzleloaders, and it's sitting right in front of me.

LOL i used up the pooper powder on the 4th. It made a nice cloud of smoke and removed most of a stump we wanted gone.

BH209 wont be completely gone but i have high hopes for BlackMZ in the 45s with sabots. That why i have 5lbs coming. I wont mind swabbing after 9 shots or so and T7 still leaves the ring in mine. Ive done all i can to make it go away.

I should have enough BH209 still on hand to last me a long time and i really want to see if i can duplicate Parkers load with the 250gr BEs.

Nope my CFs are setup mostly for possibly dangerous game that require a fast follow up just in case. I wouldn't hunt a Griz or 500lb Boar with a ML unless i had a backup plan. I do have a "bugout" but if that is ever needed the government will already be basically gone already and plain survival will be most important.

Actually i think you brought up CF comparison first in this thread.

Not me. Mine was merely a rebuttal and not all states allow the same CFs. Quite a few have heavy restrictions and love PETA.

Not Colorado. I could kill an elk with a cannon here.

Most of the states or locally contolled areas that do not allow CF do so because they are open to short range weapons like ML's and Shotguns... With something like a smokeless ML in which you can extend that range so drasitcally for a lot of folks, might not that cause a reconsideration of those rules?

Remembering in past history these were slug shotguns only and only in recent history opened to ML's.

That's why you should not believe everything your told. That's very far from the truth. As you grow up you will learn that, usually the hard way. And don't believe everything you read on the internet either.

Not even close,wind drift is horrible out at two hundred yards. The problem with the 45 SML shooters is they only have two bullets. 195 Barnes and 200grn SST, which ones worse? Both the bullets are horrible and i have shot many Deer with both to say that. The 45's need a good high BC bullet like 240grn or larger. Cecils 260grn DC is great at 2000fps. But 2500 or faster forget it.

Gm54-120,
I forgot to mention i can do 2500fps with my Knight 45 and a 200grn bullet safely and accurately with Bh209. Does it cost a little more...YEP.