Pretty much sums it up....

I am still thinking... since Tery and I established the new rules about if one "cometh on must goeth" - I am out of corners to store them in...

mike

flounder33,
The internet can be very difficult to communicate sometimes. I try but always fail at it. And i do respect your choices. I don't care what you shoot, you don't care what i shoot.

I try to give information or debate information for the people that don't post. You seem to own alot of White rifles. I think i shot most of them over a couple years in TN. They were all great ML'S, and they all had to be tweaked. I remember Bob Bowers and Underclock years ago bitching about them. I don't even remember but it all happened on HA. My point is just like Encores the Whites needed tweaked as well.

Conical bullets were with out doubt, the worst bullets i have ever seen on Hogs. I watched this for a few years not days. I have never had good success with them in my Flintlock on Deer size game either. If you read the article in Black Powder hunting fall 2005 it talks about some of the multiple shot kills with conicals. Have they changed since 2005????? Dont get me wrong, i know there are plenty bad saboted bullets as well.


I have shot a lot of different bullets, and have watched a lot of animals killed over the years. I have found the Lehigh to be the best by far over any other bullet. That is my findings with well over 25 kills with them. Is there a better bullet? Maybe, i just have not used it yet, or saw someone else using it.

You also mentioned Knight Rifles above. They really got off track on a lot of things. The Super Disc, Extreme, and the Elite had huge gaps in tolerances. I should also mention the LRH as well. That stuff is just in excusable to me.

I was asked the other day why i said the Triumph is better then the Vision. The answer was because it is. Out of the box it is. Here again my opinions only.

I can promise you one thing, i dont say anything just to get something for free. I say it because it is what i have found. If Knight doesn't like it, or Lehigh sorry that's the way it is. You would not believe what i tell them actually. And to be honest they all listen.

flounder33, we have differences no doubt. Adults will decide what's best for them no matter how right or wrong we are.

Don't you start now.

knight is one great guns but all the guns i have all have to have some twicking needed to be done to them to shot better even some custom gun i have needed some twicking all guns out of the box to me needs twiching but to you it my be fine that just me

XXX2 on that. i have shot deer elk and hogs with a .430 gr T/C maxi from my .54 renegade and can tell you the total devastation that bullet had on those animals was a sight to behold.i have not shot any animal with a NE or BS conical as of yet, but knowing the overall quality is better on these bullets, along with it's larger metplate and seeing results from people shooting these bullets from 25-225 yds. i have no doubt there a better bullet than the maxi.conicals can do whatever any whiz bang bullet is capable of doing and at longer ranges probably better..Ray

Grouse, i don't know what conicals you used on hogs. i can only assume your horrible luck with them was with a hollow point conical at close range.i have shot hogs here in cali with T/C maxi's with nothing but 100% total success and devastation.with a NE/BS i would expect even better performance on hogs, although dead is dead! as far as Lehighs are concerned, from the little i have seen they are no better than a Barnes expander MZ or TEZ in the terminal performance arena. both of these bullets are totally devastating on whatever animal one chooses to shoot with them. and i have never been able to find one sentence stating otherwise anywhere on the internet.i also feel for those longer shots the TEZ with it's poly tip and huge hollow point in .250 or .295 is a better choice than comparable weight lehighs due to better aerodynamics.i would shoot hogs all day any day with a .400 -.460 gr NE/BS or the mentioned Barnes bullets and with proper placed shots all would be stone dead, just as dead as being hit with a Lehigh.. Ray

Again Art, you are spot on. as i mentioned earlier in this thread. arrows shot from bows at extremely close ranges have nothing in common with a conical or
RB for that matter.any animal shot with either would be dead long before any shot could be heard. Ray

It may be a reality in your world, not mine and many others. it is in fact a opinion..Ray

Okay..I won't.

The Whites Rich and Bob were complaining about was the Thunderbolt model. There were serious design flaws in that rifle. Kudos to UC and Bob for all the work they did in trying to revive a dead horse. Their input definately helped,,,somewhat.

There are a few models of White rifles still available for folks who are looking for them.

C'mon Tom........seriously??