Terry!! - Sabotloader wants to spendmore money on a rifle!! This is the last one though. He swears. He swears at a lot of things actually...

I'm sure that wonderful wife of yours will be more then happy to let you get another stock and rifle... Look what's she's allowed YOU to accumulate so far.. Sounds like it will be a nice looking haul it everywhere nasty kind of rifle..

This post will be the last in reference to the rusting experiment I conducted. I really feel the metal composition of the blade might not have made this a fair and true test, but it is all I had to work with.

Today I noted the following. Triple Se7en 2f & 3f developed a "stain" for lack of a better word. A very dark black in color stain that would not come off with Birchwood Casey #77 Black Powder cleaner. They are not rusted, mind you, but stained and I believe it is a permanent stain.

Goex in all cases, 2f,3f, & 4f all rusted. Surprising, Swiss and KIK did not rust. This was totally unexpected. I seriously figured to see them rust as Goex did. I can not explain why they did not.

Pyrodex RS & P showed the greatest degree of rusting and metal damage over all of all the powders. There is metal damage there.

Black Mag 3 which I suspected might be stained or rusting was not. The simple cleaner took the powder residue off and removed the coloration that I saw at the one point. It cleaned up perfect. APP never showed any sign of anything in all this time.

As for the degree of cleaning needed to take the metal back to bare, some of the samples really needed to be scrubbed on. Especially the black powders.



over all it was an interesting test, but as I said.. an actual barrel would be a far better judge of the powders abilities and corrosive properties. I want to thank all of you that offered suggestions and comments to make this a better test. It made it actually fun to see what results were going to occur. Perhaps down the road I will get my hands on a rifle or get tired of one I have and test some more. Until that time.. clean your rifles and then you have nothing to worry about...

*** a note. Could the stains that people notice in the barrels near the breech be something that Triple Se7en powder might have caused? There is no damage, but that is one stubborn stain. Just a though to explain some of the posts that commented in that direction.

Hey Cayugad,

I ran through one box of pyrodex early on with my rifle. Since I've gone through 3-4 boxes of 777. I clean my rifles every time I shoot them and I do not have a stain of any kind. I recently inspected my bore.

I only shoot pellets though so that could be a factor in the staining.

Tom

I had read posts earlier about a stain that appeared in the bore of a rifle. They were not sure if it was rust or what, but that it would not clean out. It was also suspected it could be breech plug stain.. anyway this might be a possible answer.

When you are done with that I would see how well they will clean up.

that is the metal all cleaned up. As you can see, some of the metal has a stain, others rusted seriously.

great info..if only we could find you old barrel and cut it in half,then make your test..

that would be something we all could use..

i leave my powder in my muzzleloader for weeks in hunting season because i am too cheap to shoot the powerbelts into stump..

I have been offered half a barrel off a .58 caliber rifle. I think I will take them up on the offer and repeat the test. How about you people on the forum decide what powder you want tested, and how you want it tested and we will then run this test again. Also think about how you want the barrel stored. I can store it inside the house where it is warm and dry, or in a shop where it is cold damp and humid, or in a garage where it is cold and dry. After getting some feed back, I will re test powders. I have a large selection of powders to choose from... So you people decide how you want a real barrel tested.

i think best test would be leave it in coldin unheated garage..i keep my muzz loaded in the truck bed on way home to keep it from having a great temperature change from truck heater..

others may hunt then put it in front seat next to heater and leave it in truck at night before they go out again..

most shoot their gun off each day..

i am interested on rusting with 2f or 3f geox ..