You got it Ks and it could of not been said any better because it is up to us to try to pull that 80% on our side and if we set bad examples, then where does that leave our sport? If you can make a diff then volunteer. Good luck, Bobby

I guess i would hunt your dog if we were buddies and you trusted me. Seems like you have more of a problem with those you hunt with and not actual ethics.

1. You shoot it you eat it.
2. You shot it go find it.
3. Take only sure shots.
4. Respect the fence. NEVER NEVER shoot over to anothers land.
5. Never shoot so your bullet is going across a fence line.
6. If you must track a wounded animal and it goes across a fence line, you must get permission before entering that property.
7. Never place a stand or a blind to hunt a fence line. Hunt your land.

Ethics are something that can't be taught in a single class anyway. Ethics are something that you develope through life via family and friends.

Well what the hell am I doing wasting my time instructing class? Well maybe some gun toten, beer drinkin, citizen band (cb) relative will instill the way our family has always done it! [:@] Bobby

Never target shoot when your bored out in the woods. Should be a serious fine if caught.

If you see another hunter in a tree or hunting you should stop in your tracks and walk in a different direction.

500.00 fine for littering and trash at all.

Sorry 121553, didn't mean to offend you. But seriously, where did you pick up your ethics? I know that I didn't clone my views from a single "gun toten, beer drinkin, citizen band relative" I took a tid bit from several "gun toten, beer drinkin, citizen band relatives". You only develope morally sound ethics when you learn to love and respect the outdoors and everything that it consists of. That passion isn't found in a classroom. I've grown up around hunting all of my life, and although I don't agree 100% with any friend or relative, I do owe my ethical standpoint to them, because they were the ones who helped me develope my respect for the outdoors. (I can barely recall my hunters safety course). If you want to make a differance, take these kids hunting with you and teach them first hand.
I agree that we need to set good examples and teach what we can to each and every person that we come in contact with. I just don't think its this scenario vs. that scenario. It's all about what you feel inside. I try to convey that to all I come in contact with, especially those that have "gun toten, beer drinkin, citizen band relatives" manipulating their young minds. Unfortunatly, the couple of kids I took out who had fathers like you so vividly explained, turned out just like their father. Wish my words and my ways could have changed theirs but the family bond is a powerfull thing. Fortunatly, potching laws are helping our sport weed out these types of influences around my parts. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm simply saying that in order to solve the problem you must get to the root of it, if you want to make a lasting impression.

Power to you fellas for trying. We need more like you!

121553If you have this attitude in class maybe you are wasting your time teaching. You sound like your the only one with ethics.If you really think your going to change the way a family has hunted good or bad in a hunters safety course your mistaken.

you made this gem in the other thread:

So if Dad doesn't agree with everything your teaching he's a know it all?
Starting to sound like your the know it all.


What is wrong with this statement: Six kids I know all took the bow course when my son did this year,All scored 100% on their test.None of them really needed to take the course to be honest. I know all these kids are lucky to have fathers that spend time with them.

When my son went to shoot his bow the instructor say's to him who set that bow up it's all wrong. Well the bow was set up by a guy who has won nationals IFAA and has had a pro shop for twenty years. My son proceeded to put three in the eye at three different distances. Then say's to the instructor "I'm left handed." He's replies oh that's why it looked weird.

Randy, no offense taken and I totally agree that we should be taught by family members or a good friend providing that those individuals have good ethics. Some youngsters are fortunate to have a mentor to teach them such qualities and some don't. What I am concerned about is those youngsters that don't have a mentor or a roll model to teach them the difference. I started bowhunting in '69 as I got introduced to the sport by a high skool friend, I didn't have any ethics at that time, I just wanted to get an animal. I just didn't know any better, I am ashamed to admit it but as I was growing up I had no respect for private property and tresspassed to hunt prime hog/deer, just because my buddies did it. I would go hunting and be hunted at the same time and finally got caught and spent the night in jail and was charged with armed tresspassing. Not too good. Got an attorney and got the charges dropped to simple tresspassing and now I have no criminal record supposely, but when I go across the border the question they ask me is, "If I have ever been arrested"? Why am I telling you this for? Because some kids grow up not knowing the difference and just accept what there peers do. That is why I made the comment about the gun toten, beer drinkin individual, sometimes we are taught a bad influence and just don't know the diff. I never had a dad to show me any difference and just learned hunting ethics from my friend, some friend right ? I am not tring to take the place of what ethics you as a dad is teaching as opposed to those individuals such as myself when I grew up when I wasn't near as fortunate to have a GOOD Mentor. I am tring to reach out to those kids that remind me of myself, not take your place as a dad. I just wanted you to know where I was coming from. Take care.

Charliep, I'm not even going to go there. Good Day!!!

They need to start with Respect! To me if you have simple Respect that will get you going in the right direction. Young or Old!