Jim Malone

I have a (probably) stupid question, but when comparing the knockdown power of a broadhead arrow and a .410 slug the slug seem to outclass the broadhead.
Now , i know the broadhead causes bleeding while the .410 causes shock, but in the SAME situation, same range, same shot placement wouldn't a .410 cause the same damage as a broadhead?
This is a purely hypothetical question.
I know the broadhead works as a cutting implement ( larger wound profile) when inside the animal but once it excited the animal is it about the same effect as a .410 slug?

Bionicrooster

Nope. The broadhead kills by causing hemmoraging and internal blood loss, the 410 slug doesn't. While in a perfect scenario the 410 slug could kill a deer it surely wouldn't cause enough blood loss to be a quick kill (unless a major artery was hit).

kevin1

While I think the .410 is an inadequate deer round , it most certainly does cause enough internal bleeding to kill a deer . If you don't believe it try standing in front of one , once it drills a hole in both of your lungs your opinion will change . Shot placement is what really does the job regardless of what causes the damage , stick an arrow or a bullet improperly and neither will work .

Bionicrooster

Kevin you will notice I said Quick kill. Shoot a deer with a 410 through the lungs and see how far he runs and what kind of blood trail you have.

kevin1

The last one I saw shot with a .410 ran 50 yards , she took a round through both lungs and the heart on a quartering away shot . How quick do you want it ? Average run after the shot for archery equipment is about the same , the two weapons just achieve the goal differently . Shot placement is still far more important than method .

Bionicrooster

Kev, we can go back and forth all day long, you honestly believe the 410 causes the same kind of hemmorage and blood loss as a broadhead? Honestly? You said you hit it in both lungs and the heart, I guess she did go down quick. Lets stick to the example I gave of just hitting the lungs? Does the 410 cause enough damage to the lungs to collapse them instantly like a broadhead? Will the deer drop in 50 yards if the heart and all major arteries are missed? Of course a 410 will kill a deer if the proper shot is taken, the question was would it cause the same damage as a broadhead. The answer is no. The broadhead causes faster and more sever blood loss.

Plus you say you don't believe its an adequate deer weapon, then go on to talk about the "last one you shot" with it..... Thats interesting.....

Hotburn76

I believe the .410 is big enough and in the state of ohio the DNR thinks so too because it is alowable hunting equipment. The .410 has a muzzle velocity of 1830 fps but only 650 pounds of energy. At work a guy took his 10 year old son out and he took a fifty yard quartering to shot and blew out the shoulder and hit the heart. I think it is an effective gun I just wouldn't shoot it past say sixty yards. .410 is bigger than most centerfires and im sure some of those guys that take 200+ yards shots have missed the shoulder and only hit lungs with success. Like i said though good, just not good and far.

kevin1

Bionicrooster , I didn't shoot her since I won't use a .410 for anything bigger than training kids on squirrels , I was observing while someone else shot her , ironically in an attempt to convince me that the .410 was ok for deer . Reread my post .
Yes , a broadhead may cause greater blood loss initially , but the slug can balance that out with tissue damage and shock , both will fill the lungs with blood . Yes , put a bullet in a lung and it will collapse , ask any emergency room tech . Nobody can guarantee a drop withing 50 yards with any weapon , there are too many variables . Short of a head shot anyway .

rybohunter

Apples to oranges.

jimmy the foot

i don't see why some of you don't see the .410 as a good round. my buddy has taken several doe with his .410. in reality they have ran just as far as the ones hit with my 12 gage. yes placement is key, but if you hit a deer in the thoracic cavity with a .410 i would bet my left testicle it would bring the deer down within 100 yards easy.